I won't respond exactly to Mr. Seeback's view that the exceptions are marginal. I think that some of what we have been discussing and our concerns might be more than marginal, especially, for example, the grandparents issue.
I was wondering if Ms. Findlay could help me with respect to one comment she made, to make sure I understood. You talked about “lawful care or charge” being quite expensive or broad. I'm not sure what word you used.