Some of it counts for staff. I would say that over time we found that a number of employees left and took retirement, as an example, and didn't get any additional payment. A significant number we managed to place either within the department or another department, so in fact they don't get severance. They get a period of time where we help them find another job for which they are qualified.
A combination of those things means that while the staff numbers are going down, and there is a real reduction in staff, the total number of people who are leaving the public service turns out to be, in some cases, less.
One of the things the government has done, as has been done previously, is to allow a kind of job swapping between departments. As an example, if I have an existing person who wants to stay in the public service, and you in your department have somebody at the same level with the same kinds of skills who wants to retire, we can flip them around so that the retirement will happen. There is a real reduction in our department, but we have preserved as many jobs as we had.
I would say that in our department we have had more of that than had originally been anticipated.