Evidence of meeting #137 for Justice and Human Rights in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was meeting.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Cooper  St. Albert—Edmonton, CPC
Michael Barrett  Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, CPC
Gerald Butts  As an Individual

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Gerald Butts

I am not.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

At any point did the former attorney general ever raise the issue of pressure with you directly?

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

We've heard testimony from the former attorney general that she felt pressure even after she asked—

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Mr. Boissonnault, I'm sorry but your time has stopped. There's something with the interpretation going on right now.

11:05 a.m.

An hon. member

It's not working.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

We'll wait until the interpretation works.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

How many minutes am I at, Mr. Chair?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

You are at 51 seconds, Mr. Boissonnault.

11:05 a.m.

An hon. member

It's back up now.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Mr. Plamondon, can you confirm that the interpretation is working?

March 6th, 2019 / 11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Louis Plamondon Bloc Bécancour—Nicolet—Saurel, QC

It seems to be working.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Mr. Boissonnault, I'm sorry. We'll go back over to you.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Mr. Butts, we heard testimony from the former AG that she felt pressure even after she asked members of the PMO to stop. As for her own testimony, she said that after the September 17 meeting she agreed to hold another meeting with the Clerk and her deputy minister. Then on September 19 she asked that SNC send in a letter. Also on that day she sought out Minister Morneau on this issue, and her chief of staff on September 19 and October 26 invited conversations between the Prime Minister's Office and herself.

Why did your former office keep speaking to her after the former AG had indicated she'd made a decision?

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Gerald Butts

As I outlined in some detail in my statement, I do not believe we were aware that the AG had made a final decision at the time.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

What were you trying to achieve, then? Getting an external opinion or getting more information on the issue?

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Gerald Butts

I can only speak to the meetings that I was personally associated with or involved in. And in my case, I still don't quite get why getting transparent advice from a Supreme Court justice on this matter is controversial at all.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Constituents and Canadians are curious about how many meetings actually take place on a big government file. You mentioned a file that's important to me. On a matter related to 15,000 jobs in Alberta and the west, to billions of dollars of economic development, the idea of buying the TMX pipeline would have been a new idea and would have prompted a number of meetings between the Prime Minister's Office and the ministry of Finance. How many meetings, ballpark, would the PMO have had with the finance minister's office over the purchase of the TMX pipeline?

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Gerald Butts

I feel like we had at least that many meetings with the affected premier's office.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

How many meetings...5 meetings, 50 meetings, 30 meetings? How many meetings in the first couple of weeks were held on the TMX?

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Gerald Butts

On the TMX acquisition, I wouldn't want to venture a guess—

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Ballpark.

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Gerald Butts

—but probably 100.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Is that normal for a file that big?

11:05 a.m.

As an Individual

Gerald Butts

For a file that big it would be for sure.