Evidence of meeting #103 for National Defence in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was transnistria.

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Excellency Ms. Ala Beleavschi  Ambassador of the Republic of Moldova to Canada

8:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the defence committee.

This morning we have Ambassador Ala Beleavschi from Moldova to talk to us about Russian aggression in its relationship with Moldova and in the region in general, and perhaps any kind of co-operation that's happening in the region between Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine.

As you know, Ambassador, the Ukrainians were just here; we spoke to them and got an update on what's happening in the region. It was unfortunate for us to hear that things are actually getting worse, not better.

With that, I'm going to give you the floor, and you can engage with the committee for as long as you need to about what's happening in Moldova vis-à-vis Russia, and then we can get to questions.

Thank you for coming this morning.

8:45 a.m.

Her Excellency Ms. Ala Beleavschi Ambassador of the Republic of Moldova to Canada

Thank you so much. I'm glad that I have enough time to brief you a little bit on the developments in Moldova in terms of, first of all, the security threats to my country, and also to the entire region.

Mr. Chairman, vice-chairs, members of the committee, ladies and gentlemen, I'm truly honoured to be speaking today in front of this esteemed committee. May I first and foremost thank the chair for giving me this opportunity to speak. It was just a day ago that my foreign minister wrapped up his very productive visit to Canada. It was such a privilege and honour for us to have a chance to speak with Chair Fuhr about what concerns Moldova. It's out of that meeting, actually, that this idea has come up and, Chair, again thank you so much for offering me this opportunity to speak.

Perhaps you already had the chance to look at the maps I have provided, so that you perhaps have already noticed how tiny Moldova is compared to its neighbouring countries. This is a very important factor from the geographical and geopolitical standpoint. After regaining its independence in 1991, as a result of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Republic of Moldova was admitted to membership of the United Nations in 1992 as a sovereign and independent state. However, tensions between the newly created Moldova and the eastern region of Moldova, which is called Transnistria—it's just situated on the border with Ukraine—have arisen. The reason why Transnistria was so anxious about the developments in the early 1990s was that it was that region that actually was against breaking away from the Soviet Union and disappearing, and so did the Soviet Union.

Since then, a short military war has broken out, which lasted a few months. We then, in July 1992, were able to secure a ceasefire agreement between Moldova and the Russian Federation, which kept its forces on the territory of Transnistria at that time under the pretext that they were safeguarding a huge stockpile of munition dating back to the Second World War.

We have managed to secure that ceasefire agreement. Twenty-six years later, Russian military forces, the so-called operational group of the Russian forces, remain stationed on the territory of Moldova in that Transnistrian region. Its presence on the Moldovan territory is illegal and contrary to the UN charter, the OSCE founding document, international law, and the Moldovan constitution, which prohibits the stationing on its territory of foreign troops without the consent of the host country.

Who would have thought that after gaining its independence almost three decades ago, it would still have to struggle for its integrity, independence, and sovereignty, and that instead of focusing on economic and democratic transformations and on building a functional democracy, I would say, my country continues to be exposed to multiple threats to its sovereignty, independence, and national security?

The breakaway region claims independence and international recognition, but with the exception of the three breakaway countries in the post-Soviet area, namely Georgian South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Nagorno-Karabakh, the international community has not recognized the independence of these self-proclaimed states.

This secessionist regime is heavily supported by Moscow financially, politically, and militarily. The region is home to over 1,400 Russian troops belonging to the Russian operational forces. As I mentioned, I don't want to create confusion between the Russian operational forces and the so-called peacekeeping forces, which include Russia, Moldova, representatives of the Transnistrian secessionist regime, and 10 observers from Ukraine. They do not comply, actually, with either OSCE standards or UN standards for peacekeeping.

I don't want to create confusion between the two forces. There are 1,400 Russian operational forces stationed in this territory on the pretext that they have to safeguard 20,000 tonnes of ammunition dating back to the Second World War. It was, by the way, the biggest stockpile of ammunition in eastern Europe. It continues to be this way.

By the way, for most of this ammunition, we don't have access to it and we cannot even make an inventory of the state of it. We don't know how much of this could be transported or how much should be destroyed on the spot because it cannot be removed. We don't have that information. The OSCE mission in Moldova also does not have access to this stockpile.

Although the Russian Federation has repeatedly committed to withdrawing its troops from the region and respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Republic of Moldova, the situation is very different. Despite all of my country's previous attempts to convince Russia to withdraw its troops and to comply with its international obligations undertaken at the Istanbul OSCE summit back in 1999, its troops and ammunition are still there.

Furthermore, the Russian operational group conducts joint military exercises with the paramilitaries of the Transnistrian region on a regular basis, which are even increasing in intensity. Only last year they conducted more than 300 joint military exercises in Transnistria against any provisions of the international law and against any provisions of the ceasefire agreement. Further, Russia continues to enlist recruits among the local population in Transnistria into its army and launched a massive campaign of handing out Russian passports to the region's population in its attempt to stretch out the so-called Russian world abroad. It's obvious why they're doing it: they want them to have this legitimate right to defend the rights of Russian citizens.

The presence of the Russian troops and ammunition on the Moldovan territory poses serious threats to the region, disregards the sovereignty and independence of the Republic of Moldova, and undermines the international efforts aimed at the peaceful resolution of the Transnistrian conflict. The threat of escalation and further destabilization of the security situation in the country and the neighbouring countries, especially Ukraine, is very high.

Moldovan governments have consistently advocated for an unconditional withdrawal of the Russian troops from our territory, as their stationing is not based on any legal framework or consent of the host country. It is therefore my particular pleasure and honour to voice from this important rostrum, my government's high appreciation for the solidarity Canada has shown towards Moldova's endeavours to promote a UN General Assembly resolution on the complete and unconditional withdrawal of foreign military troops from the territory of the Republic of Moldova.

Canada has recently taken the decision to co-sponsor that resolution, the first country to have decided to do so. It triggered, by the way, a response from other countries, and today we have nine co-sponsors of that resolution. It will be debated on June 22—so pretty soon. Hopefully, it will give us the possibility of raising the issue at this high level, although of course we cannot envisage the outcome, because Russia certainly has taken serious steps to prevent that resolution from being moved.

In addition, Moldova remains highly vulnerable to hybrid threats to its energy, information, and cybersecurity, which confirms the need to boost the country's defence capabilities. With about 6,500 active-duty military personnel, the Moldovan army remains quite untrained and underequipped compared to the 7,500-strong, Moscow-backed Transnistrian force, not including, of course, the Russian operational troops stationed in that region.

Last year, the pro-European and pro-western Moldovan government adopted its national defence strategy. It includes, among other things, a commitment to increase training of the Moldovan military to take part in international peacekeeping operations. The Moldovan peacekeeping battalions are currently carrying out their mission in Kosovo. It is the 22nd Battalion. Previously, under NATO command, we participated in the peacekeeping operations in Liberia and Côte d’Ivoire. We are prepared to consider sending our battalion to Mali as well.

Furthermore, the Transnistrian conflict continues to impact negatively, overall, Moldova's political, social, and economic development. In addition, a general state of uncertainty as to what the country's future would look like generates distrust among large groups of the population in their government, and the democratic transformations they've been aspiring to polarizes their society and forces an outflow of the population from the country.

It is, therefore, important to remain committed to the reform agenda undertaken by my country under the association agreement that we signed with the European Union in 2014. The association agreement provides for a political association with the European Union and full economic integration. Under this agreement, we signed free trade agreements that same year, in 2014. We have an even more experience trading with the European Union than with Canada, so if you need help, just give us a signal.

The Moldovan government is well aware of the importance of domestic reforms, of course. I see here two critical strategic goals: a profound systemic modernization of the country by embracing democratic values, ensuring the rule of law and an independent judiciary, on the one hand; and on the other, by encouraging free entrepreneurship, supporting micro, small, and medium enterprises, and continuously investing in training and education as key sectors of economic growth.

Concurrently, restoring mutual trust between both banks of the Dniester River, showing to the population of Transnistria the benefits of a closer co-operation with Europe, combined with a clear strategic direction of development and a European integration perspective for the country, can bring these deliverables so much needed in this society. The ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine and the Russian annexation of Crimea also carry major risks for Moldova. At the same time, Russia may at any time open up a second front to the west of the Ukrainian border, which proves how much the security of both Moldova and Ukraine are intertwined.

It is, therefore, of paramount importance for the two neighbouring countries to work closely together towards addressing more efficiently these threats. The Moldovan government continues to support Ukraine in its efforts to overcome the crisis in Donbass and to solve the Crimea problem through political and diplomatic means in order to restore peace and regain Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The Republic of Moldova condemned the annexation of the Crimean peninsula by the Russian Federation and supports Ukraine's efforts to resolve the separatist conflict in Donbass based on the Minsk accords.

A good example of such co-operation is the joint Georgia-Moldova-Ukraine Inter-Parliamentary Assembly—it was actually created last week—for the purpose of creating a common front to more efficiently withstand the security threats. It was also created with a view to moving together to get closer to the national objective of my country, closer to EU full-fledged membership.

Also, a joint Moldova-Canada border and customs control launched together with the EU border assistance mission occurred last year. We really believe that we will be able to gain full control of the border between Moldova and Ukraine, especially on the Transnistrian segment.

That border with Ukraine stretches 405 kilometres. Having a more advanced dialogue with the European Union through the implementation of the association agreements, Moldova, Ukraine, and Georgia aspire to a full-fledged membership of the European Union. As in the case of Georgia and Ukraine, Moldova has made its strategic choice: European integration. In fact, this is not merely an option for our countries; it is a vital necessity.

We hope that in this important and—without exaggeration—crucial time for our countries, our partners and friends, the European Union, Canada, and the U.S., will show their continued solidarity and support. Therefore, we warmly welcome recent signals coming from Canada about its openness to view our three countries through a single regional lens, and to adopt accordingly a common regional approach. I wish to assure you of my government's willingness to engage more actively in this important dialogue with the Canadian government.

I will perhaps stop here in order to allow for more communication with you, and I thank you.

9:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Thank you very much, Ambassador.

I'm going to yield the floor to MP Robillard. You have seven minutes for your first question.

June 14th, 2018 / 9:05 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to thank Ms. Beleavschi for her presence here this morning. I thank her for answering our questions.

Ms. Beleavschi, what do you think about the joint border crossing agreement signed two months ago by Ukraine and Moldova? How do you think this could affect domestic security in both those countries?

9:10 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

The border control—it's just border and customs control—has been signed, as I mentioned earlier, with the assistance of the EU border assistance mission. It has been signed in order to ensure by these actions that we stop the smuggling of goods and arms and trafficking in people, which has developed so much in that region.

Second, we wanted to make sure that we offer the opportunity for the Transnistrian region to have a one-window registration for the goods they are exporting or importing, which actually facilitates trade, by ruling out bureaucratic obstacles to this trade. Although criticized quite heavily by both the Transnistrian regime and Russia, it has proven to be quite efficient. Since July of last year when this common border control was signed, it has proven to be really a good idea. More than that, it's only at one crossing point where we have launched this common control. We have, all in all, nine of them. We believe that, with the Ukrainian government's willingness to co-operate further on, we will be able to gain full control of that territory.

9:10 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you.

Do you see Russia's demand that Russian be recognized as the second official language in Moldova as an example of its aggressive behaviour?

9:10 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

According to the constitution of Moldova, the Russian language was widely considered to be the language of intercultural communication. It does not have an official status in Moldova. We have only one official language, which is Romanian. The status of the Russian language as a means of intercultural communication dates back to the time when we were part of the Soviet Union. Today, this is already an outdated provision. We don't need it. The younger generation doesn't speak Russian. With the exception of the media, which was widely owned by Russian channels, they do not speak or learn Russian at school, so it's usage in Moldova has diminished. Only the elderly population speaks mainly Russian. We don't believe that the Russian language has to have a special status, especially if you take into consideration the fact that the composition of the population of Moldova shows that the first and largest group is, of course, Moldovans, and the second largest group is Ukrainians. Why, then, Ukrainian? Ukrainians will not claim to have a special status for their language.

This is why we decided it is no longer right to have a specific status given to the Russian language. Actually, the Constitutional Court recently confirmed that it is already time for us to get rid of this provision in the constitution. It's actually not in the constitution, but in the law on the functioning of languages in Moldova.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Yves Robillard Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Thank you.

Do you think that the Donbass region, which has been in conflict since 2014, will do the same thing as Transnistria, which separated in 1992?

9:15 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

What is happening today in the eastern region of Ukraine unfortunately very much resembles the pattern used by Moscow in Transnistria in Moldova. It is clearly in the interest of Moscow to have a protracted, frozen conflict on our territory. The reasons for this are very obvious. First, Moldova is being used as a buffer zone between NATO and the EU, which stops at the western border of Moldova. You see from the map that Moldova is bordering Romania, which is part of NATO and the European Union. To have Moldova under Russian control is actually what Russia wants to maintain. This influence will be used by Russia any time it feels any future potential threats to its territory, although we don't have a common border with Russia.

What is happening in Transnistria and this frozen conflict very much gives Russia a good example of what to do with the Donbass region. We have been warning our Ukrainian friends of the so-called threat of the Transnistriazation of Donbass. Russia would prefer to have that region in a protracted conflict, which will be used as a button whenever Russia needs it.

Thank you.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Thank you, Ambassador.

MP Bezan.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Your Excellency, it's always great to see you. I appreciate all you're doing to make sure that we parliamentarians are aware of the problems that Moldova faces in Transnistria, and of the challenges that you have domestically in dealing with it.

I know we've spoken many times about the ongoing occupation of Transnistria by Russian forces. Last time we talked, we discussed the OSCE monitoring mission there. Who is in charge of that mission?

9:15 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

Well, if I'm not mistaken, today the head of mission position is held by Britain, but I might be wrong. I know that it was the Americans for a few consecutive terms.

It's interesting because the OSCE mission very clearly understands what the major objective is: to find a peaceful and long-lasting resolution to the Transnistrian conflict. They have engaged in a dialogue with the Transnistrian regime as well, although they have very limited access to that territory, which means that their possibilities are very limited indeed.

We conduct regular consultations in the so-called 5+2 format. It has been created to find a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Unfortunately, the negotiations do not always bring any clear or tangible results.

Today, the presidency of the OSCE is held by Italy, and the political representative of the OSCE in the 5+2 format is the former Italian foreign minister, Franco Frattini, who, by the way, is a good friend of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. They have mentioned this on several occasions. He tries to play a constructive role. We had hoped there would be more progress achieved during this presidency.

Recently, we signed five protocol agreements with Transnistria. It was under the Austrian presidency, at this time last year. We have signed agreements on such matters as recognition of Transnistrian diplomas. We also signed an agreement giving the Moldovan population on the right bank of the Dniester River the right to cultivate their lands, which are unfortunately situated in the Transnistrian part.

It's not yet there, but we have signed an agreement and we have tried to implement this de facto protocol.

Yes?

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

You can go ahead.

9:20 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

We also signed an agreement that allows Transnistrian cars to participate in international traffic with special licence plates. They used to have their own, but they were not recognized anywhere. It also gives us the possibility, at least, of seeing who is participating in international traffic. We had many problems to solve when someone was involved in an accident or other situation abroad. We kept receiving these signals from Transnistria.

These are a few elements. Also, restoring telecommunication between the two banks of the Dniester River was one of the—

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Do the people of Transnistria participate in Moldovan elections?

9:20 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

No, they have refused to do so.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Is there no way to set up proper polling places?

9:20 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

The Transnistrian population is around half a million. Out of that half-million, our figures show that around 360,000 people hold Moldovan passports. Especially since 2014, when Moldova was the first among the countries in the region to get a visa-free regime with the European Union, the number of requests for Moldovan passports from Transnistrians has increased.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

It went up.

9:20 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

But these people also have Russian passports. As I told you, there is a massive campaign to hand in Russian passports now. They have Ukrainian passports, although this contradicts the Ukrainian law because that country doesn't allow multiple citizenship compared to Moldova, where we do have this right. They can use any passport they want at any time, yet they will not allow participation in the elections. If they wish to, they have to travel to the right bank of the Dniester River to take part in the election. The polling stations would not be open there.

Now the Moldovan Parliament has adopted a law to provide for a mixed vote, which means that half will be proportional representation, and half will be one...election per constituency, so one nominal—how do you call it?

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

One vote.

9:20 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

Yes, exactly, single member, which this time will provide for Transnistria having its representative in the national Parliament.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I'd like to head over to the military side. Does Moldova have any defence partnerships with any countries in the West?

9:20 a.m.

Ala Beleavschi

Moldova is officially, and according to the constitution, a neutral country. Having said that, we have very strong co-operation with NATO. Last year the Moldovan government decided to inaugurate a NATO liaison office in Moldova, which was heavily criticized by part of the population and especially by our friends to the east, or northeast. However, we tried to convince them that through the so-called “IPAP”, the partnership and co-operation agreement with NATO.... We tried to prove that NATO is doing a great job in training and equipping our national army to make it stronger and to consolidate its defence capabilities.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

MP Garrison, go ahead.