Evidence of meeting #10 for National Defence in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ukraine.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Prévost  Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence
Kevin Hamilton  Director General, International Security Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Heidi Kutz  Senior Arctic Official and Director General, Arctic, Eurasion, and European Affairs, Global Affairs Canada

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I call the meeting to order.

This is the 10th meeting of the Standing Committee on National Defence.

I am pleased to see that Major-General Prévost is back with us. Thank you, sir, for your reattendance here. I am sure members will have questions for you.

I understand that Mr. Hamilton and Madam Kutz are here to provide support on this very timely topic.

Colleagues, my intention today is to ask our witnesses to speak first and then for us to go to the rounds of questions. Once we're finished the rounds of questions, I'll ask you to stay on and approve the rather modest budget, as well as the subcommittee report. The members of the subcommittee met on Monday and we have a report for you that we hope you'll approve.

With that, I'll ask Major-General Prévost to introduce himself and his colleagues and to make whatever remarks he wishes to make.

Go ahead, Major-General Prévost.

2:30 p.m.

Major-General Paul Prévost Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence

Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the committee. Good afternoon.

I am Major General Paul Prévost. I am director of the strategic joint staff at National Defence headquarters, located here in Ottawa.

My role is to advise the chief of the defence staff on the Canadian Forces operations plan, both current and future operations, as well as operational planning, strategies and logistical support.

I will now let my colleagues introduce themselves and then I will deliver my opening remarks.

Kevin, do you want to introduce yourself?

2:30 p.m.

Kevin Hamilton Director General, International Security Policy, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Mr. Chair, and members of the committee, my name is Kevin Hamilton. I'm the director general for international security policy at Global Affairs Canada.

2:30 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Go ahead, Heidi.

2:30 p.m.

Heidi Kutz Senior Arctic Official and Director General, Arctic, Eurasion, and European Affairs, Global Affairs Canada

Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. My name is Heidi Kutz. I'm the director general responsible for the Arctic, Eurasian and European affairs at Global Affairs Canada.

2:30 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Mr. Chair, if you will allow me, I have a few minutes of introductory remarks.

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Please, go ahead.

2:30 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Once again, thank you for having us to discuss this very important matter.

I am here today with my colleagues to focus on an update on the situation in Ukraine and what the Canadian Forces and Global Affairs are doing in support of Ukraine but also in NATO and in support of our allies as well.

We are on day 13 of this crisis. The recent days have been devastating for the Ukrainian people and for their armed forces. They've also been quite concerning for all democracies, obviously. Since 2015 under Operation Unifier, our members of the Canadian Armed Forces have worked closely, side by side, with our Ukrainian counterparts. We've trained 30,000 of them to defend themselves in situations like the one they are living today.

Given the increasingly volatile situation in Ukraine, we have removed all of the Canadian Armed Forces personnel who were in Ukraine. We had about 240 personnel there not too long ago. They are now safe and sound outside of Ukraine. We will remain poised to go back to Ukraine to continue our training once the situation allows.

In support of Ukraine, the government has also announced a series of donations of military aid—you'll recall that four flights' worth were delivered before the crisis started—in addition to the $23 million in aid we've provided since 2015. Since the crisis started, we lately have started to resume our delivery of additional military equipment. Over the next few days, we are planning to deliver up to $75 million of new equipment. This will be in addition to some announcements you may have heard in recent days on additional military equipment that the CAF will be providing from our in-service inventory and for some equipment that had been declared surplus.

We also lately announced that we sent two military transport aircraft to Europe in order to help NATO and our allies move personnel and equipment around Europe, to reorganize the theatre in order to augment the deterrence of NATO, but also to help our allies move some military aid that is destined for Ukraine. So far, since last week, we've delivered five planeloads of military aid in support of other countries.

In addition to our support to Ukraine, we're also bolstering NATO's eastern flank to deter Russia against further aggression. Operation Reassurance is the Canadian Armed Forces operation in Europe in support of NATO and our allies. Under Op Reassurance, we are bolstering the NATO eastern flank by sending additional troops to Latvia, an additional frigate, and an additional maritime patrol aircraft in addition to the 800 CAF personnel who are already deployed in theatre.

The maritime patrol aircraft has already arrived in Europe and will be patrolling the Mediterranean waters to monitor the threats in that region. We have also started the deployment of our additional troops into Latvia. That deployment will occur over the next few weeks.

Finally, our additional frigate will be sailing out of the west coast in the next few weeks to rejoin the standing NATO maritime group in the weeks to come. That will be an additional frigate. This one will be the HMCS Halifax. That will be in addition to the HMCS Montreal , which is already in the Mediterranean Sea patrolling with the allied navies.

Finally, we have also put 3,400 CAF troops on high readiness to reinforce NATO, as needed. NATO is engaged in planning right now to increase deterrence and to defend against any aggression, if necessary.

We are in the early days of this crisis. We'll try to answer your questions as best we can, while understanding the evolving situation.

Thank you.

2:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Thank you very much.

With that, we'll commence our six-minute round.

Ms. Gallant, you have six minutes, please.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

You mentioned that some shipments had been sent over. Have Canada's shipments of lethal aid, namely rifles, sniper rifles, ammunition, anti-tank missiles and grenades, arrived in Ukraine?

2:35 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Ms. Gallant, I can confirm that, other than the four flights we sent before the crisis started, some of this additional aid that we lately announced has started to flow, starting yesterday. It's in the process of being delivered.

I cannot confirm if it has been delivered yet: I could, but I will not confirm if it has been delivered yet to Ukraine.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Could you give us some indication if Canadian troops in Latvia have been subjected to psychological/information warfare, or cyber warfare by groups attributed to Russia and/or the Russian state?

2:35 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

It's fair to say that the information and misinformation campaign that Russia is conducting right now started years ago. We've been monitoring this. Our troops in Latvia can see it. They're not subject to it, but we can clearly see it and we're making every attempt to correct the record when possible.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Have any Canadian Forces reinforcements arrived in Latvia yet?

2:35 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Yes. We declared last week that we were deploying an electronic warfare capability to Latvia, so there are additional troops in theatre. We started the deployment of our additional gun battery. The reconnaissance element is deploying right now, and you will see the arrival of the battery over the next few weeks, which will comprise four guns and an additional 130 personnel.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

There will be 130.... Which units are they being drawn from?

2:35 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

The gun battery will be coming from the 5e Régiment d’artillerie légère du Canada from Valcartier.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

There are 3,400 Canadian troops on notice to reinforce our NATO allies. When is the next tranche of reinforcements going overseas?

2:35 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

The additional 3,400 troops are on high alert in what we call the “NATO Response Force”. That's a force that's available to NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe, the highest commander in NATO, to draw from when he activates new plans. No decision has been made on activating these plans. What you see now deploying into the NATO area of responsibility are additional troops that are voluntary contributions from the country.

To quickly answer the question, no additional troops have been deployed as part of those 3,400, and there's been no request from NATO at this point to dispatch any additional troops.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

We don't know when they're going.

What number of people are involved? What pieces of equipment are set to go with the 3,400?

2:35 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Of the 3,400, they're from the army, navy, air force and special forces. The capabilities are pretty much what we see every day in the Canadian Armed Forces. You have airplanes, ships and land troops. It's a very long list.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

For how long are planned reinforcements in Europe set? Can they be sustained in theatre, or is this a one-shot deal?

2:35 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Many of the capabilities we have on hand to deploy.... I would say that everything we're going to send to Europe, if necessary to defend it, will stay in theatre as long as it's required for NATO to defend.

2:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON

Are we talking long-term sustainable operations, such as two or three rotations?

2:40 p.m.

MGen Paul Prévost

Absolutely. What we will do is send our high-readiness forces. As those high-readiness forces are being deployed in theatre, we will start mounting the reinforcements behind that with what we call the follow-on forces to go and take over after the necessary time period.