Evidence of meeting #36 for National Defence in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was capabilities.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

David McGuinty  Minister of National Defence
Sheehy  Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel, Department of National Defence
Kelsey  Vice Chief of the Defence Staff, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence
Fox  Deputy Minister, Department of National Defence
Erick Simoneau  Chief of Military Personnel, Commander Military Personnel Command, Department of National Defence
Hadwen  Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy-Industry, Department of National Defence
Huebert  Professor, University of Calgary, As an Individual
Leuprecht  Professor, Royal Military College of Canada and Queen's University, As an Individual
Shimooka  Senior Fellow, Macdonald-Laurier Institute, As an Individual
Exner-Pirot  Director, Energy, Natural Resources and Environment, Macdonald-Laurier Institute

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

I guess I'll deal with the point of order.

I was going to suspend for just a moment, but go ahead.

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Just on process, while they're doing that, we could go through the (a), (b), (c) and (d) one step at a time. It makes it a little clearer exactly what they're doing, instead of one big amendment.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

The amendment is as he read it. It's the amendment as preceded by.... It deals with the entire motion. I'm going to suspend, then, for just a moment.

To the witnesses, yes, I apologize. You're dismissed. Thank you very much for your testimony.

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

Mr. Chair, I would like to have the floor.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Mr. Savard-Tremblay, it's over to you.

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

In a minute, the meeting will be over.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Yes.

Mr. Savard-Tremblay—

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot—Acton, QC

We were supposed to finish the meeting at 6:30 p.m. I've already slightly postponed my next commitment.

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

We can then maybe circulate it and make track changes.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

If I understand correctly, if I suspend, we'll deal with your amendment at the next meeting.

Is that acceptable to the committee?

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

We'll circulate both in track changes so that we can talk and proceed.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Let's suspend, and we'll deal with this first thing at our next meeting.

[The meeting was suspended at 6:45 p.m., Wednesday, May 6]

[The meeting resumed at 11:03 a.m., Monday, May 25]

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome back to meeting number 36 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on National Defence, which was suspended on Wednesday, May 6.

When we suspended, the committee was studying an amendment from Mr. Malette to the motion of Mr. Bezan. You've all received copies of said motion and the amendments. We did that so we could facilitate our discussion process.

Mr. Kibble, you are next in the speaking order. We will proceed.

11 a.m.

Conservative

Jeff Kibble Conservative Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

I will waive.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Mr. Kibble has waived.

Yes, Mr. Bezan.

11 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I'm going to speak to the amendment as presented by Mr. Malette. I'd like to make a subamendment to that amendment by deleting part (b), which asks to replace the words after “training programs” and before “that the committee” with the following: “given that the Canadian Armed Forces reached a 30-year high in recruitment this year”.

I wish to delete it. If we can delete it, I think we can have consent to go ahead with the changes. That would keep the intent of the motion, which is to look at the report that came from the Canadian Forces Leadership and Recruit School and went to the chief of military personnel about the challenges they're having in basic training. This is about basic training. It's not just about recruitment.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Thank you.

That subamended has been posted.

Ms. Romanado, go ahead.

11 a.m.

Liberal

Sherry Romanado Liberal Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, QC

Thank you, Chair.

I want to make sure I understand this. The subamendment is to remove (b). We don't have it in writing, so I want to make sure I'm following exactly what Mr. Bezan said. Could he repeat it, for the sake of the committee?

11 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

We have a working document here that was provided by the clerk.

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Yes, there's a working document out.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

The amendment proposed had parts (a), (b), (c) and (d). I'm suggesting the deletion of part (b).

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

Are you also taking out (c)?

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

No, we're leaving (c).

The Chair Liberal Charles Sousa

You're leaving in (c). Okay.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

It's just (b). I'm okay with the other amendments.