Evidence of meeting #31 for Natural Resources in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was industry.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Lail  President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva
Buffalo  President and Chief Executive Officer, Indian Resource Council Inc.
Leyburne  Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Systems Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Christie  Chief Economist, Canada Energy Regulator
Lavoie  Assistant Deputy Minister, Nòkwewashk, Department of Natural Resources
O'Brien  Assistant Deputy Minister, Fuels Sector, Department of Natural Resources

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Hello, everyone.

It's a great pleasure to be here with you this morning.

I'd like to call this meeting to order.

I would also like to acknowledge, as we always do, that we are meeting on the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe nation.

Welcome to meeting 31 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Natural Resources. Today’s meeting is taking place in a hybrid format.

We have some witnesses online. I would like to remind them and all of you of the following points.

Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you. Those participating by video conference can click on the microphone icon to activate your mic, and please mute yourself when you are not speaking. For those on Zoom, at the bottom of your screen, you can select the appropriate channel for interpretation: floor, English or French. Those in the room can use the earpiece to select the desired channel.

For members participating in person or via Zoom, please raise your hand if you wish to speak. The committee clerk and I will do our best to maintain a consolidated speaking order. This is a reminder that all comments should be addressed through the chair.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted on Thursday, September 18, 2025, the committee shall resume its study of Canadian energy exports.

I would like to welcome our witnesses. From Enserva, we have Gurpreet Lail, president and chief executive officer, by video conference. From the Indian Resource Council, we have Stephen Buffalo, president and chief executive officer.

All virtual witnesses have conducted a mandatory witness onboarding test.

You will each have five minutes for your opening remarks, after which we will open the floor to questions.

Ms. Lail, you have the floor for five minutes.

Gurpreet Lail President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Thank you very much.

Good morning, everybody. Thank you for having me today, Mr. Chair and members of the committee. I am extremely appreciative of your invitation today to appear.

My name, as mentioned, is Gurpreet Lail. I'm the president and CEO of Enserva. We represent over 200 companies in the energy services, supply and manufacturing sector, and we support hundreds of thousands of jobs.

Our members are the companies and workers who drill the wells. They provide pressure pumping. They complete the wells. They manufacture the equipment. They provide field services. We're the ones who innovate the technologies that help keep production efficient and emissions reducing.

Without the energy services sector, there really is no upstream production. There are no royalties. There's no export revenue, and there's no energy security for our country. We are the companies that help unleash Canadian energy to the market.

As our members have witnessed, we have gone through a lot of issues lately, and we find that Canada has an economic problem. As energy exports are one of the clearest places where we can still act at scale, we just don't see enough action taking place right now.

In 2024, energy products were Canada's largest domestic export category at $195 billion. That's roughly 27% of all domestic exports. That should tell us something really important. Canada already has the resource base, the workforce and the global reputation to compete. What we don't have is a policy framework that consistently lets us win. It's made Canada one of the least attractive energy investment destinations in the developed world, and we hear this over and over again. The consequences of this are being felt in communities, at the dinner table and throughout all provincial budgets.

In 2024, Canada exported over 80% of its crude oil production and 40% of its natural gas production. This sector is already foundational to our trade performance and to the livelihoods of our communities across Canada.

The global opportunity is real, and it's current. The International Energy Agency expects global natural gas demand to grow by nearly 2% in 2026, with Asia-Pacific demand rising by 4%. The IEA predicts oil demand to also grow from its current record level of 104 million barrels per day by another one million barrels a day just this year. Around the world, governments and buyers are focused on secure, reliable, responsibly produced supply, and Canada is ready at the call to supply it for everyone.

With what we're seeing happen around the world right now, the current blockage of the Strait of Hormuz has created a potential global energy crisis that's playing out in front of us in real time. In this regard, I would say that Canada does not have just an opportunity; we have an obligation to our allies, to our friends and to our customers around the world to provide the resources that are required today.

Canada should be answering the demand with confidence. Instead, we are debating whether we are prepared to build the infrastructure and create the investment and conditions to do so. Nearly a year after Canadians were told that this country should become an energy superpower, industry is still waiting for enabling conditions that will make this possible.

Pipelines and energy export facilities do matter, but they are only part of the equation. We also need the production growth that fills those systems. We cannot move more Canadian energy abroad if policy makes it harder and less competitive for us to produce it in the first place.

This is why the policy stack absolutely matters. It is integral to this. The Impact Assessment Act process remains too long and too uncertain. The oil tanker moratorium that was put in place to block options on the British Columbia north coast and the federal industrial carbon price remain in effect. This is all a cost that no other major oil export nation has and that no customer is willing to pay for.

Whatever the intent behind these policies, the investment signal is clear: more cost, more uncertainty and more delay that chills capital, weakens the business case for new production and makes export infrastructure harder to finance.

From Enserva's perspective, our path is clear-cut. First, we need to set firm and shorter timelines for nationally significant energy infrastructure and the upstream activity needed to support it. Second, we need to remove or materially reform federal barriers that directly constrain export growth, including the tanker moratorium. Third, we need to ensure that industrial carbon policy does not hamstring Canadian production before new projects can even get to a final investment decision.

Canada can be a major and growing dependable supplier of energy in a world that still needs more of it, but that's only going to happen if this country chooses to build, chooses to approve and chooses to compete. We have an opportunity to unleash Canada to end global energy poverty, and we need to take it now.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Thank you, Ms. Lail.

We're now going to Mr. Buffalo.

You have the floor for five minutes.

Stephen Buffalo President and Chief Executive Officer, Indian Resource Council Inc.

Thank you, Chair and committee members, for the opportunity to speak today.

My name is Stephen Buffalo. I'm the president and CEO of the Indian Resource Council of Canada. Our organization represents over 130 first nations that produce or have direct interest in the oil and gas industry. I'm also the chairman and a founding board member of the Alberta Indigenous Opportunities Corporation, a Crown corporation of the Province of Alberta, which provides loan guarantees for equity ownership. Our mandate is to advocate for policies that improve and increase resource development opportunities for first nations and their members.

This topic, energy exports, is one that we've followed for many years. We hosted our first pipeline gridlock conference back in 2016 to bring indigenous people, government and industry together to discuss long-term solutions to the challenge of getting indigenous support for pipelines.

Unfortunately, the projects we discussed, like energy east, Keystone XL and northern gateway, still got cancelled. I say “unfortunately” because I think a lot of first nations would have benefited from those projects if they have gone ahead, with more jobs and own-source revenue and opportunities. This week it is especially obvious that Canada and its allies would have benefited too.

Nonetheless, we did a lot of work to develop a framework for first nations to have increased economic participation and to gain more benefits in linear infrastructure. I'm pretty proud to say that the work paid off.

In the past seven years, pipelines have gone from being a lightning rod to a model of how economic reconciliation can work. Equity, backed by loan guarantees, has changed the conversation and made first nations partners in pipelines and the creation of wealth for first nations. In fact, the Canada Energy Regulator just put out a brief last month showing how indigenous groups have acquired ownership interest in over 5,000 kilometres of pipelines in Canada.

We took a bad situation and turned it into a huge success story, and now we have industry and indigenous groups from around the world asking how we did it. Well, the Trump threats, the energy shock and the Canada-Alberta MOU have brought attention to export pipelines again.

We hosted another pipeline gridlock conference this past November to bring first nations from British Columbia and Alberta together to talk about a new oil pipeline to the coast. We didn't want to have a discussion about us versus them. Instead, we shared perspectives about what the legitimate environmental concerns were, the negative experiences and polarization associated with northern gateway and other pipelines, the ways in which first nations could be involved in monitoring and the mitigation of risks and accidents, and the economic, social and environmental benefits that could be negotiated.

It became clear that the best way to gain the trust of nations so they know that a pipeline can be safe is to meaningfully involve them in the development and operation of those activities. Now is not the time to convince anyone to accept a pipeline and port. It's time to have discussions and provide as much information as possible. However, let's all remember that the Trans Mountain expansion and Coastal GasLink did ultimately get built with majority indigenous support, and both are now operating safely.

Building a new export pipeline with indigenous support is not some insurmountable task. I'm confident that we can get majority indigenous support for a new northwest pipeline, but it must start with building relationships, having conversations, looking for solutions in good faith and giving everyone reason to trust the process.

At the Indian Resource Council, we will do our part to facilitate that dialogue and find an outcome where everyone can win. I ask the federal government if it can do the same.

I look forward to answering some of your questions. Ekosi.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Thank you, Mr. Buffalo.

We are now going to start our rounds of questions from MPs, starting with Mr. Tochor for six minutes.

Mr. Tochor.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Thank you, Chair and witnesses.

In 2022, the Liberals said there was no strong business case for Canadian LNG exports to Europe, even after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Given what has happened since, was there a strong business case for Canadian LNG?

I'll start with Ms. Lail.

11:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

Absolutely. When we had countries coming to our country and leaders saying they needed LNG right now, if we had taken that seriously and taken that opportunity and started building then, we would be unleashing our energy resources right now to the rest of the world, and the issues that the Strait of Hormuz is causing right now would be significantly reduced.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

The capital that was going to go to those LNG plants on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts mostly flowed to the States, and they expanded their LNG. Is that correct?

11:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

Yes, absolutely. The United States benefited from our disregard at that time, and it continues to benefit.

When I was in Syria a few weeks ago, we were talking about how they look at a project proposal and its completion. In the United States, a project can be completed in as little as four years, whereas here in Canada, that same project could take 15 years.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Speaking to the LNG exports from Canada, I understand that we have one plant in British Columbia, but the vast majority of the liquefied natural gas that we export goes to the States, to their plants. Is that correct?

11:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

That's correct. It goes to their plants.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

They will decide which countries, making us more reliant on the American market, not less reliant, as the Liberals claim.

The Liberals also have other disastrous policies for our economy. They still haven't walked back Bill C-69 and the tanker ban. Do you have a comment on that?

11:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

When we look at policies such as the tanker ban and the Impact Assessment Act, those are policies that investors also look at, and we can't make it viable for people to come into this country and invest in our product so that we can get it out to market in a reasonably paced way. If we could just start rectifying some of those policies and maybe even pausing them for a short term until another solution is found, it would make a huge difference.

That makes a difference in someone getting food right now. So many people are struggling, and not only with not having energy. My parents came from India, and if you look at India right now, you see that they're struggling with what's happening at the Strait of Hormuz. If we can get rid of some of our policies, we can absolutely unleash Canadian energy to the rest of the world, and we have an obligation to do so.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Around the world, people are suffering. Millions of Canadians are reliant on food banks because of the disastrous Liberal policies that have made us poorer as a nation and more reliant on other nations. It's been over a year now with Mr. Carney as Prime Minister, and we've heard lots of words, but there hasn't been any action.

Could they easily withdraw Bill C-69 and the tanker ban and rectify their mistakes?

11:15 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

I believe so.

I think there's a glimpse of hope for us in the industry when we look at the MOU being signed, but now the April 1 deadline has come and gone and we're questioning if it is dead in the water. We need to have some kind of signal, and the signal would be rectifying some of the policies that are standing in our way.

I'll give you a prime example. Last week, I was part of a meeting in the United States, and a large energy-producing company said, “Look, we're not even looking at Canada right now.” Even though our companies presented that we had the lowest emissions on LNG, it's our policy regulations that are creating instability and making it not profitable for companies to come in and invest in us. To hear this today in 2026 is extremely disheartening.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Can you tell us about the sentiment in Alberta on this MOU? I'm not even sure why the Alberta government had to get involved in the MOU to get a pipeline built. What are the feelings in Alberta about this latest betrayal?

11:15 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

It was such an exciting time when we signed the MOU, and listen, if the premier did not get involved in doing this, we would not have anything to look forward to. It has been two decades of being beaten down. That's a hard thing to live with.

Right now, everybody is wondering where we're at with the MOU. Is it dead in the water? Are we going to see some traction? A deadline was set out. We haven't heard anything more on the deadline. Was there an extension requested? We haven't seen anything move on the regulatory practices that were hindering us from producing at the levels we can. I would say that now it's very much like we're wondering if this was just another piece of paper that we signed that's getting us nowhere.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

I'm worried that the current proposed referendums in Quebec and Alberta.... I'm from Saskatchewan. I'm a proud Canadian. I want to keep our Canada united, but it's betrayals like this and the inaction from the Liberal government that are leading to growing dissent in some of the provinces. Our country may not survive. That is the most concerning thing about the inaction. It's not just the lost paycheques and the lack of abilities for families to provide for their members. The health of our country is at stake.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

I guess I'm getting cut off here.

The Chair Liberal Terry Duguid

Yes, that's your time, Mr. Tochor. We can come back to you a little later.

Mr. Hogan, you have six minutes.

Corey Hogan Liberal Calgary Confederation, AB

It's always wonderful to hear from witnesses from Alberta.

You are right. Energy provides immense opportunities. As the Prime Minister has said, we want to be a “superpower” for both conventional and renewable energy.

I just want to note that we are at record production. We'll still be expanding on that to help our allies and like-minded countries. In fact, since 2015, energy production is up 34%. Globally, energy production—oil and gas—is only up 6% over the same time. Impressively, we did that while reducing emissions in the country by 6% over the same time.

Of course, we all know that better is always possible. We all know that regulations, for many decades, have begun to stack across and between jurisdictions. There's more work to be done.

I will also just quickly note, on the MOU, that these are not deadlines. It is a timeline. The Prime Minister and Premier of Alberta have both been clear that things continue to be on track. In fact, equivalency was a month ahead of schedule and methane was a week ahead of schedule.

With that table setting done, I want to talk a bit about exports and the focus of this committee's work today. I want to talk about the opportunity that exports might have to address certain challenges that have been long-standing in the sector. Particularly, I think about the boom-bust cycles of the sector.

Ms. Lail, I'm wondering if you can talk about your views on how exports might help us to smooth out what has historically been a very cyclical sector.

11:15 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

It hasn't been a cyclical sector for a long time. There has been more demand than ever before.

When you look at 2018 and 2019, we were in an energy downturn and government was not supporting at that time at all. Then, in 2020, COVID hit. There were job losses at that time. When you layer on government speech and what was coming down from the federal government, which was that this was a dead industry, that there were no jobs to be had and that there was no future in this industry, I would say that caused us a lot of grief. We've worked really hard to attract trades back into our industry.

Corey Hogan Liberal Calgary Confederation, AB

I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just want to reiterate that Canadian oil and gas production is up 34%. Globally, in the same period, it's up 6%. Production has never been higher.

When we talk about exports in particular and the opportunity that exports might provide to smooth out some of the employment boom-bust, not the demand boom-bust, I'm wondering if you have comments on that.

11:20 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Enserva

Gurpreet Lail

I'm sorry—the employment boom-bust?