Evidence of meeting #60 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cases.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michel Doucet  Professor , Expert in language rights, Law Faculty, University of Moncton
Louise Aucoin  President, Fédération des associations de juristes d'expression française de Common Law inc
Tamra Thomson  Director, Legislation and Law Reform, Canadian Bar Association
Melina Buckley  Representative, Canadian Bar Association

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I would like to thank the committee members as well for their understanding. In my opinion, the fact that the government gives money to citizens who wish to protect themselves from its decisions is the highest form of democracy. I'm very proud that the Canadian government, that Canada, regardless of which party is in power, has instituted this type of program. I sincerely hope that it will be maintained.

That being said, every time I or another member have asked a question during question period, one minister or another and even the Prime Minister, has answered—and I checked Hansard—saying, at any rate, the money was going directly to the groups, without going through the Court Challenges Program, and that this would protect the rights of minorities and the development of minority language communities. So then, do you know whether or not the groups out in the communities have used, since the elimination of the program, public funds to challenge government decisions?

10:40 a.m.

President, Fédération des associations de juristes d'expression française de Common Law inc

Louise Aucoin

Usually, for community groups, we have what we call contribution agreements with the government. So, if we have funding to go ahead with projects, generally speaking, we are not allowed to use this money for court challenges. It is absolutely impossible for the FAJEF to use this money, which has been obtained for a specific program, for this purpose.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

Can you confirm that, Ms. Aucoin?

10:40 a.m.

President, Fédération des associations de juristes d'expression française de Common Law inc

Louise Aucoin

Certainly.

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

Thank you.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Great. Thank you very much.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

I would like to correct some of the comments made heard here earlier.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

This is a point of order.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

This is a point of order. The member for Laval—Les Îles said earlier that the CBA had written to Minister Oda. The CBA never wrote to Minister Verner. We just verified that fact. Earlier you stated that the CBA had written to the minister. The Fédération des associations de juristes d'expression française du Common Law did not write to Minister Verner either.

10:45 a.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

I would really like it if we could check the minutes because I do not recall having asked a question about a letter or anything of that sort. Mr. Chairman, I would like this matter to be verified.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

We will do that, Ms. Folco.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Mr. Chairman,on this point of order, what I heard is that the association had called the minister's office to discuss this matter and that it had not obtained a response from the minister. We could check this in the blues.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

We will clarify that issue. Mr. Graham, would you check this? Fine.

The time has come to thank the witnesses for meeting with us. I would like to thank you for making your presentations within the allotted time and for presenting your arguments in a concise and well-organized fashion. Thank you for coming.

We will now continue our session.

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Mr. Chairman, could we please deal with the motions?

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Yes, does the motion pertain to the Court Challenges Program?

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Yes. It reads as follows:

That the Standing Committee on Official Languages invite the Honourable Bev Oda, Minister of Canadian Heritage; the Honourable Josée Verner, Minister for La Francophonie and Official Languages; and the Honourable Rob Nicholson, Minister of Justice, to explain to the Committee at its next meeting, on Thursday, June 21, 2007 or in September, 2007, the reasons why the Court Challenges Program was cancelled in September of 2006.

To not ask the question would be a terrible mistake. The government must at least—and I'm doing this for the government—have an opportunity to explain its reasons to us. It would be interesting to hear the ministers explain why they acted as they did. We have questions to ask them, and in any report that we table, it is normal that the ministers of the House, the decision-makers, have an opportunity to explain themselves before the committee. Even at the Justice Committee, the Minister of Justice appeared. It would be a mistake on the part of the committee to not give the ministers an opportunity to come and explain themselves to us.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Mr. Godin, your motion is relevant. The purpose of your motion is to invite witnesses to appear with respect to the—

10:45 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Exactly, so that they can explain why the program was cancelled.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

The motion is in order. I am prepared to hear comments with respect to Mr. Godin's motion. Then, I would like to deal with the business of the committee; I have circulated a sheet on this matter. I would like to thank the witnesses for their participation.

With respect to the motion, I will hear first from Mr. Chong, followed by Ms. Boucher and Ms. Folco.

Mr. Chong.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I wasn't here when the committee was struck, so I'm not familiar with the motions that were adopted at the beginning of this committee.

Did we have notice of this motion?

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

The clerk has informed me that when a motion is tabled regarding routine business, it is in order, as I indicated earlier.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

The only comment I would have, since the motion has been ruled admissible, is that it's entirely unreasonable to ask ministers to appear in front of committee with less than 48 hours' notice. I don't think it's a reasonable motion to put in front of the committee to ask members to consider supporting it. It's Tuesday just before 11 o'clock and we're asking a whole number of ministers to appear on Thursday at 9 a.m. That's not reasonable; they have schedules and agendas planned weeks in advance. I can tell you right now they're definitely occupied Thursday morning between 9 and 11. I don't think it's reasonable for the committee to call them on such short notice.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Chong.

Ms. Boucher.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

We don't really know when the session is going to come to an end. We do know that, in theory, it should end soon. Should this occur tomorrow evening, I will not be there. Nor do I believe that Minister Verner will be here on Thursday, given how things unfold when the session comes to an end. It is really impossible. She has a very busy schedule and it is the end of the session for everybody. I think that this meeting could take place, but in September. For the time being, since we are nearing the end of the session, we have been putting in many long hours. Perhaps it would be better to continue this work in September.

10:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Ms. Boucher.

I too have had an indication that it would be difficult for Minister Verner to appear on Thursday, and I wish to inform you of that, Mr. Godin.