Evidence of meeting #10 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was action.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bruce Manion  Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage
Hubert Lussier  Director General, Official Languages Support Programs, Department of Canadian Heritage
Jérôme Moisan  Senior Director, Official Languages Secretariat, Department of Canadian Heritage

9 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Welcome, everybody, to the first meeting of the Standing Committee on Official Languages. Today is January 29, 2008, and this is the committee's 10th meeting since prorogation.

Today marked the beginning not only of a new year but also of a new stage in the committee's work, as we are beginning a brief study on public service take-up of the action plan for official languages.

Before introducing today's witnesses, I would like to remind the committee members that the steering committee has prepared and sent out a list of witnesses for the next four meetings. Our next meeting will be televised and the sole witness will be the Commissioner of Official Languages.

Without any further ado, I would now like to introduce our witnesses. We have with us today Mr. Bruce Manion, Assistant Deputy Minister at the Department of Canadian Heritage; Mr. Jérôme Moisan, Senior Director at the Official Languages Secretariat; and Mr. Hubert Lussier, Director General of Official Languages Support Programs. We will therefore be hearing representatives from both the official languages program and the secretariat.

I would now like to hand over the floor to our witnesses.

9 a.m.

Bruce Manion Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

We felt it appropriate to provide you with a brief overview of the current Action Plan for Official Languages. To this end, we submitted a written presentation this morning—I believe you all have a copy. With the indulgence of the committee, before answering your questions, we would like to quickly walk you through the presentation to bring you up-to-date with the current situation regarding the action plan. I appreciate that you all have a degree of familiarity with the action plan, but I am not sure whether everybody has the same level of knowledge and understanding.

Page two provides an overview of the five-year action plan launched in 2003 covering the period 2003 to 2008. It has three priority streams: education, community development and exemplary public service. A fourth component, the language industry, was added to these three priority streams. Accountability and coordination measures for the action plan are the responsibility of the Official Languages Secretariat which is now under the auspices of the section of Canadian Heritage for which I am responsible.

On the next page of the presentation, you will see a list of the 10 federal institutions that were the most involved in the initial action plan. It should be noted that Industry Canada also includes the four regional development agencies and the National Research Council, all of which were primarily involved in the fourth stream, the language industry. In addition, the Official Languages Secretariat was transferred from the Privy Council Office to Canadian Heritage on April 1, 2006.

The next slide provides a breakdown of the proposed funding for the four priority streams. More than $380 million over five years were earmarked for education; around $270 million over five years for community development; $64 million for an exemplary public service; and $20 million for the language industry. In addition, $16 million over five years were set aside for accountability and coordination measures, for a total of $751 million. Supplementary funding was allocated between 2005 and 2007, including $12 million over three years for the Enabling Fund for Language Minority Communities, bringing the total amount invested in this fund to $36 million. Ten point six million dollars in supplementary funding was also provided for health and $12 million for the Canada School of Public Service, bringing the grand total to $810 million.

Page five provides you with an overview of the main findings of the mid-term report published in 2005. The report focused on the first two years of the action plan and its objective was to determine the status of the various initiatives that had been planned; it was not, however, a formal evaluation of these initiatives or indeed of any programs that were part of the action plan.

The main findings of the report related to expenditure that had been undertaken by that date. At that time, $187.5 million had been spent out of a total envelope of $751 million. The report also observed that the various departments had set up infrastructures, thus getting the ball rolling for future program implementations. However, as is often noted when new programs are launched, a certain degree of foot-dragging and inertia had to be overcome. In spite of a fairly slow start, the mid-term report observed that the ground was set for the process to speed up. The foundations were laid to allow full implementation of programming and expenditure over the remaining three years.

The mid-term report also noted progress such as improved dialogue between federal institutions and their partners—the provinces, the communities, and other official language stakeholders—as well as significant advances in several areas including early childhood, justice, health and immigration.

As is the case with any initiative, progress is faster in some areas than in others. The mid-term report showed a positive impact on the use of both official languages in the federal public service, although shortcomings still exist with regard to public servants' knowledge of departmental responsibilities under the Official Languages Act. There also remains work to be done regarding language training for public servants. The report also highlights the creation of the Language Industry Association and the construction of the Language Technologies Research Centre, inaugurated in May 2006.

In general, feedback from both the anglophone and francophone communities was positive at the time of the mid-term report. Nevertheless, communities remain concerned about the length of time needed to approve funding and the red tape with which they are confronted. I will return to this issue a little later.

In 2005, a horizontal results-based management and accountability framework for the entire Official Languages Program was developed. Further information on this framework can be found in page seven.

The framework is essentially a means of coordinating all government action in the field of official languages, particularly that which is related to the action plan. It promotes accountability, and allows us both to measure the results that have been achieved with the additional funding and to monitor the overall progress made by the government in official languages.

When the framework was launched, it was heralded as a sterling example of multi-departmental, multi-program horizontal coordination. It has maintained its reputation amongst our central agencies to this day. Our primary objective is to gather information on how the programs and activities stemming from the action plan are performing in order to be able to produce the indicators provided for in the management framework.

On page 8 you will find a breakdown of the $810-million budget, showing planned and actual expenditure for the key departments over the five years. I would take this opportunity to point out that although total expenditure was expected to stand at $611 million by 2006-2007, only $601 million had actually been spent. This gives a 1.6% disparity over four years, perfectly within the standard parameters for public financial management.

I am now going to ask Hubert Lussier to give you some more information on those elements of the Action Plan for Official Languages that specifically relate to Canadian Heritage programs.

9:10 a.m.

Hubert Lussier Director General, Official Languages Support Programs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Thank you.

The aim of my brief presentation is to draw your attention to one of the important elements of the action plan. As Bruce just pointed out, a significant percentage of the $750 million was earmarked for programs under my purview. With your indulgence, I will therefore make a few remarks on this subject.

Canadian Heritage has managed programs supporting official languages for almost 40 years now. The resources granted under the action plan allowed us to strengthen mechanisms that were already in place. I think it is important to bear that in mind. Although certain provisions of the action plan created entirely new initiatives, Canadian Heritage used the additional funding to strengthen existing mechanisms.

In the interest of succinctness, there are two official languages support programs. One is called the Development of Official Languages Communities, and one of its major components addresses education in the minority language, i.e., French outside of Quebec and English in Quebec. This program also supports communities through their community networks and supports provinces in the provision of provincial and territorial services to minority communities. That is the first program.

The second program is called Enhancement of Official Languages and primarily focuses on second-language learning. In other words, it focuses on knowledge and understanding the other language. The action plan also provided new funding for this program.

To conclude, the action plan aimed to address specific challenges that had been identified at the time, including primarily, but not exclusively, those relating to education. Page 12 provides you with an overview of some of our objectives, including recruiting and retaining entitled students in French-language schools in minority communities. That was one of our principal objectives. Other objectives included improving access to post-secondary education, raising standards in post-secondary education and developing school community centres, which are key to recruitment and retention in a number of communities. All of these measures fall under the education component of our support program for French-language minorities outside of Quebec and English-speakers in Quebec. The plan also allocated support for provinces for the provision of new or improved community services. Obviously, I am referring to provincial and territorial services.

Obviously, this involved significantly less money than was allocated for education; if memory serves me well, it was around $19 million over five years. In terms of community support, the plan also provided resources to community networks for individual projects relating to culture, community radio and communication. With regard to the enhancement of the official languages program, the program focusing on second-language learning, our objectives included improving teaching skills. As there is a shortage of qualified teachers, particularly for teaching French to English speakers, we also focused on modernizing second-language teaching methods.

That completes my brief overview of what the action plan for official languages entailed for Canadian Heritage.

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

Obviously, we are aware that the renewal of the action plan for official languages was announced in the 2007 Speech from the Throne. We are currently in the process of finalizing our evaluation of the first action plan; we have just completed our consultations and we will be issuing recommendations for the next plan.

We would now be delighted to answer any questions you may have.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Excellent. Thank you very much, gentlemen.

The committee's aim for this morning's meeting is just that—we want to discuss the results of the Action Plan for Official Languages and gain a better understanding of the successes and pitfalls so that we can develop recommendations for the second action plan.

Without any further ado, I am going to hand over to Mr. Rodriguez, a member of the official opposition.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Good morning to our witnesses, it is a pleasure to have you with us again. Thank you for appearing before us this morning and thank you for your presentation.

Your presentation was on the original action plan. Was it substantively amended along the way or did it remain largely unchanged?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

It remained largely unchanged. There were certain new additions; as I mentioned earlier, some $50 million in supplementary funding was made available.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Were there any changes other than the addition of $50 million?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

No, it has remained essentially unchanged since its inception. Obviously, adjustments were made to the various programs as a result of decisions made by individual departments. That is simply par for the course in rolling out a program. There were however no substantial changes to the planned programs.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Did the management structure within the plan change?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

There were some changes such as the transfer of the Official Languages Secretariat from the Privy Council Office to Canadian Heritage. This transfer did not, however, change the role or the activities of the secretariat. It only changed the reporting structure.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Are you saying that you do not believe the transfer to have had any real consequences?

9:15 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

That is correct. The secretariat continues to operate as it did when it reported to the Privy Council Office. Adjustments have been made within the department. For example, the secretariat reports to me as the official responsible for the department's strategic policy, and not to my colleague who is responsible for Mr. Lussier's programs, in order to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest. This was a conscious decision made by our deputy minister. The secretariat however continues to fulfil the same role that it did before. It continues to work with the various departments and to coordinate committee meetings. Particularly those of the ADM's committee and its working groups on evaluation, research, policy, etc.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thus far, it cannot really be said that the passage of Bill S-3 has had much of an effect. The act has not really been implemented. Do you think that anything has changed since Bill S-3 was adopted more than two years ago?

9:15 a.m.

Director General, Official Languages Support Programs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Hubert Lussier

I would say that both my role and that of my colleagues at the secretariat have been hamped up. Nevertheless, I say that bearing in mind that there is a subtle difference between our roles. My colleagues at the secretariat coordinate all official languages activities, while a section of my team is responsible for supporting the minister and implementing measures relating to section 42 of the Official Languages Act, in other words coordinating the way in which federal institutions handle the new responsibilities conferred upon them by Bill S-3, the bill that you mentioned.

Our roles existed prior to the amendments to the act, but our responsibilities have increased due to far greater contact and dialogue with all federal institutions, including the Department of Justice, which acts in an advisory capacity on this front. There has been a change not so much in the nature as in the intensity of the education and coordination work that we carry out.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

How much time do I have left, please?

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Three minutes.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

How are your preparations for the new phase of the action plan progressing?

9:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

We have just completed our consultations and are in the process of summarizing the testimony that we heard so that we can prepare an opinion on the second phase.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

How did you decide who you would consult? In general terms, who did you consult?

9:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

I can assure you that we have a multi-pronged approach to consultation. We hold annual consultations with the communities and the major official languages stakeholders in the spring. We also rely on reports from parliamentary committees and the commissioner. Furthermore, we recently held a consultation with a view to seeking out the opinion of stakeholders who had not necessarily previously had an opportunity to contribute to the debate. It was really Mr. Bernard Lord who carried out this last phase of consultations. Our analysis involves looking at all of these elements, as well as recent census data, evaluations that are under way, and information concerning programs funded by the action plan. All of this is being studied to help us develop an opinion as to what direction the second phase should take.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

When is the second phase supposed to be launched? In two or three months?

9:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Bruce Manion

We are expecting an announcement in the spring. The government plans on releasing something...

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

But the current action plan ends in March 2008, does it not?

9:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage