Evidence of meeting #26 for Official Languages in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gala.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Richard Stursberg  Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

9:45 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

Sure, we would like to extend our radio services in both French and English. We were asked, actually, to make a proposal as to how to do this by, I think, if memory serves, originally the heritage committee. And we did; we tabled a report with them two years ago proposing exactly some means of doing that. So we totally agree.

I totally agree with you as well--as I agree with every member of the committee, which is why I'm a little bit struck by it—that the CBC has a fundamental responsibility to reflect and interpret both great cultures to each other. I totally agree with that. I totally agree with the premise of every single question here. I totally agree. And that's why, as I mentioned, we put such a long effort into figuring out how to do these things together and how to make this interpretation, but in a way, as I was saying earlier on, that actually works, given our different audiences and our different cultures.

I say this personally; I wanted a show called Au Courant , and I wanted Mitsou to do the show, because I wanted a show that was going to actually provide a window into French culture every single week. It was my idea to redo Rumeurs and to do it as Rumours; and the same thing with Les hauts et les bas de Sophie Paquin.

When it comes to journalists, we also agree with you. Many, many of our international journalists actually now report in both languages. I have to tell you, though, that finding people who can work in both languages is a challenge because it presupposes a level of fluency that's rare. But we completely agree with that. As I mentioned in my opening remarks, we've done over 200 different pieces together in the last little while.

My colleague Sylvain Lafrance and I are jointly responsible for a fund within the organization that is dedicated to this very purpose, which is to make things that will work well in both French and English. So I completely agree.

My only point in all this, and I think it's an important point, is that we have to do this in a way that is congenial from the point of view of the audiences. If we do things that the audiences don't like or don't understand, we're not making any progress. They'll just say, “I don't know what that's about”, and they'll turn it off.

So how that actually helps the situation, I don't know. What I think helps the situation are programs that people find interesting, entertaining, and stimulating, that they want to watch, but explore these issues in a way that is--

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Chong and Mr. Stursberg.

We're now going to start our second round. This time, members will have five minutes, and we're going to start off with Mr. Pablo Rodriguez.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Stursberg, the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame gala includes all songwriters. It also includes francophones and the entire country. So there's no equivalent of this program in French. It is the program for the entire country, and it has to reflect Canadian reality, anglophone and francophone.

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Can you tell me why the executive director of the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame, Mr. Martin Duchesne, stepped down in January?

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

I have no idea.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

You have no idea. It was our understanding that it was actually related to the fact that—

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

Are you talking about Mr. Frank Davies?

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

No, I'm talking about Mr. Martin Duchesne.

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

No, I don't know.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

It was our understanding that he was against the idea of taking francophones out of the media showcase.

In other years, when you organized the same event, were there any francophones in those 44 minutes?

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Never?

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Were those who were there this year aware of that?

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

I assume so, that was our policy.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

Did you make it known? Was Claude Dubois aware of that?

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

Yes, I even quoted from Claude Dubois' contract.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

I understand the contract, but you can't—

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

I wasn't party to the conversations between Claude Dubois and the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame. As far as I know, his contract indicated clearly what we were planning to do on TV.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

If I follow your logic, you've been doing the same thing for three years, reducing the show to 44 minutes, without francophones. So the format is known and understood.

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

The format is known full well.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

You're saying you won't broadcast music that people can't understand. So it's known in advance that there won't be any francophones.

9:50 a.m.

Executive Vice-President, English Services, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Richard Stursberg

I should point out that it depends on the platform. We did broadcast three and a half hours of the show on Radio 2, including all of the francophones.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Pablo Rodriguez Liberal Honoré-Mercier, QC

And on Radio One?