Evidence of meeting #36 for Official Languages in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was bilingual.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Luc Portelance  President, Canada Border Services Agency
Camille Therriault-Power  Vice-President, Human Resources Branch, Canada Border Services Agency
Pierre Sabourin  Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canada Border Services Agency
William Victor Baker  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety
Daniel Sansfaçon  Director, Policy, Research and Evaluation Division, National Crime Prevention Centre and Official Languages Co-champion, Department of Public Safety
Denis Desharnais  Director General, Human Resources, Department of Public Safety

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

We certainly do. I think the challenge for these sorts of discussions is that we legitimately on areas where we have complaints, where we have problems. Mr. Sabourin talked about the volume. We will get 230,000 passengers today. I get a lot of positive feedback about the service experience, but that doesn't outweigh the fact that we have challenges and we have complaints,and we take those seriously. But overwhelmingly--

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

One complaint is too many, but out of that 230,000 today, how many complaints do you expect to get on official bilingualism?

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

Well, if you do the average, it will probably be zero, because we had 35 last year.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Thank you, Mr. Lauzon.

We will conclude this first round with our witness with Monsieur Godin.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I have three minutes left. May I ask my question?

9:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Steven Blaney

Go ahead, Mr. Godin, the floor is yours.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Has the Clerk of the Privy Council given you any instructions regarding official languages in recent years?

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

I haven't received any specific instructions, except with regard to my role as president—because we belong to the public service. As deputy head, I'm responsible for managing this file.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

You don't have any specific instructions from the Privy Council!

I understand you have a responsibility, and I know you're intelligent enough to know you have one. You supposedly have to offer bilingual services.

So the Clerk of the Privy Council has never given you any specific directives in recent years?

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

First, I started occupying my position on November 15. The directive comes from the deputy head. I don't have any specific directives, except that it must be understood that we are responsible for the administration of a number of acts.

Secondly, all our senior executives have management obligations regarding official languages under their performance agreements.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I understand; I know the act. I asked you a question and you answered it; that's good.

When you advertise jobs in Windsor, for example, do you say you're looking for bilingual employees?

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

If the positions are bilingual, yes, we advertise for bilingual people. We hire people on an imperative basis; their applications have to be consistent with the job profile.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

We're only talking about the nine positions you referred to earlier, those you need for a booth. You're not going to force matters so you have a position openly advertised on the Internet, for example, for Windsor so that people say to themselves that they're going to move to Windsor and apply for the job.

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

There is nevertheless that flexibility, but staffing is done regionally, and the directors general fill the positions based on needs.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Are all the 1,000 jobs at the Quebec border crossings bilingual?

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

That's the case.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Are they all bilingual?

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

9:40 a.m.

Vice-President, Operations Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Pierre Sabourin

Four of them are not bilingual.

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

That's correct; four of them are not.

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NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Four employees are not bilingual.

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

That's correct.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

Do you mean for all of Quebec?

9:40 a.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Luc Portelance

Four employees cannot meet the linguistic profile. You have to consider that the vast majority of clients at the Quebec border are anglophones coming from the United States.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

So you absolutely want to serve the anglophone clientele, but not necessarily the country's act.