Evidence of meeting #65 for Official Languages in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was official.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Hubert Lussier  Assistant Deputy Minister, Citizenship and Heritage, Department of Canadian Heritage
Daniel Jean  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Yes, everybody has ideas. Of course, often what you find when you do round tables with organizations that are providing these services is that they will say, “Obviously, the solution is to give us more money and to make it multi-year.” You try to look past the obvious. Maybe there are certain success stories that you want to give multi-year funding to, and you want to provide that confidence to those organizations to continue doing their good work. I have to admit it's often difficult to find people who think beyond their local dynamic or their personal experience. We want those stories, and we want those experiences to be understood and to be told. But to find people who can think about a pan-Canadian policy that would have equal measure of value to someone in Sudbury, where roughly a third of the population is francophone or French-speaking and working in a job in the mining sector to have those economic opportunities, and to somebody who might be a brilliant young academic who is trying to be fully engaged in our sciences in Toronto...we need our immigration capacity to fully integrate people into job opportunities that are very different in different regions of the country.

How do you have a pan-Canadian policy that reflects these different things? Well, part of it is not trying to have a “one size fits all” Ottawa approach to immigration, but to set up pools of funding to support those organizations that take a flexible approach to integration and services on the ground that makes sense for Edmonton or Sudbury or Montreal or Vancouver or Nanaimo. That flexibility is something we try to recognize and to build in. You fund those things, and then you do round tables as I did—not just in Ottawa but in Sudbury and in Sault Ste. Marie and in North Bay and in Charlottetown. You go to those regions and you sit down face to face and you say, “Take me to your office. Tell me how it works. Tell me how it's going. Show me what you're doing. Let me see how it's going for you.” You get a pretty quick assessment of who the pretenders are and who the real deliverers of effective services are. You try to relay those back to the department and encourage those who have successful models to then tell their success stories to other parts of the country and to keep moving forward.

Governing is a constant exercise of trial and error and of taking the best examples and moving them forward, and that's what we try to do with official languages as well.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you very much.

Madame Michaud.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Before I ask my questions, I have a very quick comment.

I'm sorry to say that I'm disappointed in what I've heard here today. Mr. Minister, I think it is naive to think and say before this committee that your department—and you, yourself—are in no way responsible for verifying whether the cuts in the departments and institutions are having an impact on the official language communities. I really think the department should show some leadership in this area. We need someone who is concerned about the communities, who ensures that they get the funds intended for them and that they receive the services they need.

I will now move on to my questions.

On May 3, Mr. Jean, who is with us today, made a commitment to send us the list of resources that will be eliminated in the Department of Canadian Heritage and from the official language support programs, as well as other information, such as a list of the department's employees working full time on official languages. Five months have passed and we've received nothing.

Can you make a commitment today to send us this information by February 2013? Yes or no?

4:20 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Daniel Jean

There have been no cuts to Canadian Heritage's official language programs.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

I would ask that you answer with yes or no. I'm sorry, but I have several questions.

December 12th, 2012 / 4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Daniel Jean

I can get you the information about the employees.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

You have already made a commitment to do this, so we hope we receive it by February 2013. Thank you very much for renewing your commitment.

I wanted to talk about something that my colleague Yvon Godin has already touched on briefly. It's the closure of the maritime search and rescue centre in Quebec City. I'm the MP for the Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier riding. A number of our communities are along the St. Lawrence River, and they have a lot of concerns. We know that the centre's closure was postponed to April 2013 and then to October 2013, because there was some difficulty in recruiting bilingual employees who met the employment conditions in Halifax and Trenton.

In addition, the proposed work schedules suggest that there will be one bilingual employee per shift. Therefore, if there are two calls at the same time, someone might get an answer in English. In this context, can you continue to say that closing the centre is necessary to save money, while putting Canadian lives in danger?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Yes.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Really, yes?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

I agree with Gail Shea, who is currently the acting minister of Fisheries and Oceans, since Minister Ashfield had a heart attack and will not be in the House before next year. She said yes…

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

I'm asking you for your opinion as Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Yes, we will continue to do our job. The ability to search and to provide the services required in the Maritimes will continue.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

All that to say, I don't know what your opinion is, but I thank you all the same for trying to respond.

I'll move on to something a little easier.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

But I gave my opinion on the matter.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Fine.

What is your plan to ensure that, in the next Roadmap for Canada's Linguistic Duality, federal institutions will take into account the specific characters of English-speaking communities in Quebec?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

I have a meeting today with representatives from the Quebec Community Groups Network, or QCGN. I had spoken with them previously about the Roadmap for Canada's Linguistic Duality. I had meetings in Montreal and Quebec City to speak with them about their concerns and their needs. As you know, the situation with the provincial government is highly charged, but I can also tell you that the QCGN supports our approach and our Roadmap for Canada's Linguistic Duality. They were pleased with it and they wanted us to renew our commitment . They also wanted us to continue in the same direction. I think the complaints and concerns outlined by the NDP with respect to our Roadmap for Canada's Linguistic Duality—in this case with the English-speaking Quebeckers—are fabrications.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Élaine Michaud NDP Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

That is not what I have been hearing.

I have one minute left.

Quickly, I have some questions about early childhood. Representatives of francophone and anglophone communities who have testified before the committee have stressed the importance of that issue for them. The Roadmap for Canada's Linguistic Duality earmarked some funding for strengthening research organizational capacities. Could you tell us what you plan to do to avoid the worst case scenario and to ensure that we have all the necessary information to successfully help our communities in terms of early childhood?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

We will definitely follow up on that. We can provide you with the relevant information. As you know, this is a matter of social policy. A commitment exists between the federal government and the provinces. Mr. Jean can provide you with any information you need.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you.

We'll suspend for five minutes and then continue.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

We are continuing the 65th meeting of the Standing Committee on Official Languages.

We will begin with Mr. Wilks.

Mr. Wilks, you have the floor for five minutes.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

David Wilks Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Minister, for being here today.

I want to continue with the questioning.

With regard to the 150th celebrations for Canada's Confederation, the most common request from witnesses so far has been that they want to be assured that they are consulted for preparations for the 150th. I wonder if you could answer this: has any planning yet begun on Canada's 150th? Could you outline for the committee the milestones we will be celebrating leading up to 2017?

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Yes. Planning is moving forward in earnest, I can assure you. As a matter of fact, those witnesses who came before this committee with regard to 150 were not alone in wanting to speak out on this. As you know, this is a good opportunity for Canada.

Maybe I'll start it off this way. When you look around the world at other countries that have celebrated their 150th birthdays, there's actually no template. Some countries do nothing because they don't see 150 as a big deal. They celebrate the 50th, the 75th, the 100th, the 200th, or maybe the 250th or so. Some countries have taken their 150th and have done a very big celebration out of it.

In Canada, I think we're in a position to take the opportunity—and it would be wise for us—of the 150th to do something special. As I said in my prepared remarks, we're the second largest country in the world in size, but the 34th largest in population, so when we do have a moment to celebrate something that is special and pan-Canadian in consequence, we ought to take it.

This is a country that has a lot of great regional celebrations and regional moments, but I don't think people in my community understood the importance of the 400th anniversary of Quebec City. Also, in the development of our celebrations of the recognition of the bicentennial of the War of 1812, we found that when you get outside southwestern Ontario there is a diminished understanding of the importance of the War of 1812. We wanted to elevate that into a pan-Canadian understanding.

Therefore, there are a lot of groups around the country that might have some great local ideas that could be drawn to national attention for others to copy. We want to go around and talk to Canadians, like we did with round tables for the road map, which, I can tell you, were incredibly beneficial to my personal understanding and my department's appreciation of the great work that is being done around the country on official languages.

Equally, we want to make sure that, for Canadians who have great ideas on the 150th, their voices are heard as well. In the new year, I am going to be doing round tables around the country on Canada's 150th birthday, which will lead to our larger proposal on how we celebrate the 150th.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

David Wilks Conservative Kootenay—Columbia, BC

Thanks.

Following on that, with our study that we've been doing on the 150th, one thing I've heard is a continual reference to the 2010 Olympic Games and other major events in which Canada has done a very good job at ensuring that both official languages are used and we're quite enthusiastic about.... I wonder if you could talk about how you foresee us keeping that enthusiasm going for more than a two-week period, stretching it out throughout a whole year. Do you have any vision on that?

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

I have two examples. The 400th anniversary of Quebec City is one. There was a date, but there were actually year-long events in the city of Quebec. For the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games, there were dates for those, but, as you know, there were the torch relay and the cultural Olympiad. There was the Place de la Francophonie. We had a number of events tangential to the games that stretched out for many, many months prior. There were legacy projects after the games as well.

Things that will go beyond July 1, 2017—stretched out—and that will be of larger consequence are really important projects as well. This is one of those projects.... I know that even in just the first round of questioning we've had, we have had good partisan debates. We can go back and forth. Yvon Godin can say that I'm wrong about everything, and I can say that he's wrong about everything—

4:35 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

I agree. We can both agree, yes—