Evidence of meeting #8 for Official Languages in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was prince.

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MPs speaking

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Corinne Prince  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Michèle Kingsley  Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Alexandra Hiles  Director General, Domestic Network, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joël Godin

Good afternoon, everyone. We now go to the public portion of our meeting. Before we begin, however, I have a few reminders. For those participating virtually, I would like to outline the following rules.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(f) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, January 31, 2022, the committee is resuming its study of francophone immigration to Quebec and Canada.

I would first like to welcome Alain Rayes, the member for Richmond—Arthabaska, who has joined us as a permanent member of the official languages committee.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses. From the Department of Citizenship and Immigration, we have, via videoconference, Corinne Prince, Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration; Alexandra Hiles, Director General, Domestic Network; and Michèle Kingsley, Director General, Immigration Branch.

You will have a maximum of 10 minutes for opening remarks, after which we will proceed with a series of questions. I will inform you verbally when you have one minute left, and you will be encouraged to use that final minute to wrap up your presentation.

I now invite Ms. Prince to make her opening remarks.

Ms. Prince, you have the floor.

4:15 p.m.

Corinne Prince Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Mr. Chair and members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to speak to you today. I would like to note that I am joining you from the traditional territory of the Algonquin people.

I am here this afternoon with Michèle Kingsley, Director General,Immigration Branch, and Alexandra Hiles, Director General, Domestic Network.

Immigration has been crucial in shaping Canada into the diverse and prosperous nation it is today. Through Canada's managed approach to migration, there are pathways for foreign nationals to study, work, and live in Canada, including access to citizenship.

Under the Constitution Act, 1867, immigration is a shared federal, provincial and territorial responsibility. Immigration, therefore, requires close and frequent engagement and collaboration with provincial and territorial counterparts.

Canada's approach to migration is intended to maximize Canada's economic and social well-being, while protecting the safety and security of Canadians. The department creates legal pathways for people to come to Canada on a temporary or permanent basis, and plans the number of new immigrants and the balance between permanent resident categories in advance.

However, immigration does much more than facilitating the movement of people. It brings people with skills, talent and social connections, thereby contributing to Canada's economic development and recovery, as well as enriching its diversity.

IRCC establishes annually the immigration levels plan. The latest plan released on February 14, 2022, describes the levels plan for 2022-24. It specifies the government's intention to welcome a significant number of new permanent residents: 431,645 in 2022; 447,055 in 2023; and 451,000 in 2024.

With the 2021-23 levels plan, IRCC started indicating the number of permanent resident admissions needed to meet the 4.4% francophone immigration target to be reached by 2023. This number is based on ranges, but specifically outside of the province of Quebec.

There are two major pathways to citizenship for immigrants wishing to stay or live in Canada: permanent residence, the basic facts of which are outlined in the levels plan I just described, and temporary residence, for temporary workers, international students and other visitors.

Today, I'll be focusing more on permanent residence, which concerns two main categories of immigrants: economic and non-economic. The latter are identified based on objectives associated with family reunification and social and humanitarian considerations.

Skilled workers are the first economic permanent residents. IRCC offers a range of economic programs, most of which are governed by the express entry electronic application processing system. That system facilitates the identification and selection of candidates with certain characteristics or basic human capital factors. For example, points are awarded to applicants who have a job offer based on their level of education, work experience or proficiency in one of the two official languages.

Then there is the applicant's nomination by a province or territory. Every province and territory has its own programs that may target international students residing in Canada, skilled workers or business people.

Lastly, the Canadian system provides refugee protection through two main programs: the refugee and humanitarian resettlement program, for persons seeking protection outside Canada, and the in‑Canada asylum program, for people filing refugee protection claims within Canada.

The visual diagram shared with you shows you the steps, starting from the submission of the request and its reception, to the decision-making process and the communication of the decision to the requester. In the latter step, the client receives the visa or residence permit.

The duration of the immigration process varies from one file to another, but it is understood that it can take from six months to two years for an immigrant of the economic class to settle permanently in Canada.

Now I'm going to discuss francophone immigration. It can be said that francophone immigration to Canada operates along two distinct lines: francophone immigration to Quebec and francophone immigration outside Quebec. Under the Canada-Québec Accord, reached in 1991, Quebec is the only province that publishes its immigration objectives and targets annually. However, Canada is required to establish the total number of permanent residents for the country as a whole, taking into consideration Quebec’s advice on the number of immigrants that it wishes to receive in all categories.

IRCC works with our Quebec government counterpart, the ministère de l'Immigration, de la Francisation et de l'Intégration, in a manner consistent with the two orders of government defined under the Canada-Québec Accord. For the purposes of my presentation, I would like to focus on francophone immigration outside Quebec. But, first of all, a few basic facts.

The government acknowledges that francophone immigration strengthens the social fabric of Canada and plays a key role in maintaining its bilingual character. Immigration is one of the factors that assists in maintaining francophones' demographic weight in Canada but is only one of many levers. Immigration cannot be considered the only solution. Francophone immigration assists francophone minority communities in developing economically, socially and culturally.

The particular focus of the government on francophone immigration dates back to 2003, which is when the 4.4% target for French-speaking immigrants outside Quebec was jointly established with the francophone community. More recently, and to streamline our approach, in 2019, the minister of IRCC announced the “Meeting Our Objectives: Francophone Immigration Strategy”, which reaffirmed the goal of achieving the target of 4.4% of French-speaking immigrants outside Quebec by 2023.

IRCC has put in place numerous activities to deepen the strategy, including additional points for strong French language skills of bilingual candidates introduced first under the express entry system in 2017 and then increased in 2020.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joël Godin

Pardon me, Ms. Prince, but I just want to inform you that you have one minute left. Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

Thank you.

In 2020 and 2021, in response to the pandemic, the department implemented a number of measures to facilitate the transition of temporary residents to permanent residency.

IRCC continues to explore innovative ways to support francophone immigration with the shift to more visual promotional activities, particularly the 17th edition of Destination Canada mobility forum, held virtually in November 2021.

We acknowledge the progress that all these actions have achieved but also how important it is to continue and support new initiatives through cooperative efforts in the spirit of "by and for francophones".

We will now be happy to answer your questions.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joël Godin

Thank you, Ms. Prince.

We will now begin our questions with Mr. Dalton, of the Conservative Party, for six minutes.

February 28th, 2022 / 4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Marc Dalton Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Thank you very much for your comments.

As of February 8 last, more than 36 complaints had been filed with the Commissioner of Official Languages concerning the announcement that the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, Shaun Fraser, made in English only during a press conference.

Why wasn't the minister informed that this would be a problem? What will you do to prevent it from happening again?

Has the Treasury Board asked you to rectify the situation?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joël Godin

Is your question for Ms. Prince, Mr. Dalton?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Marc Dalton Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

It's for the Department of Citizenship and Immigration people.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joël Godin

Which of the three departmental witnesses wishes to answer Mr. Dalton's question?

4:25 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

Thank you for that question, Mr. Chair.

I'll ask my colleague Ms. Kingsley to provide a more detailed answer.

4:30 p.m.

Michèle Kingsley Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

We're aware of the complaints filed against the department concerning official languages, and we take them very seriously. We assess them on a case‑by‑case basis. The quality of French is a major concern of ours. It's important that we be able to communicate with our clients in both official languages, and in high-quality, error-free French. We will make sure that all future communications reflect that commitment.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Marc Dalton Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Thank you.

Historically, the Canadian government has never met the 4.4% francophone immigration target it set for itself. How does your minister explain that failure?

4:30 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

Thank you very much for that question, Mr. Chair.

Yes, a 4.4% francophone immigration target was set for outside Quebec in 2003, with the cooperation of community stakeholders, as I indicated in my remarks.

I would just emphasize that the target is supposed to be reached by the end of 2023 and that this is only 2022. So we have 18 more months in which to hit it. Developments in the COVID‑19 situation have had an impact on the number of francophone admissions and on the percentage of those immigrants, since most applicants come from outside Canada. However, we've already put several measures in place to meet our target.

We've taken many initiatives, such as awarding additional points to francophone and bilingual applicants under the express entry system. French-speaking residents admitted to Canada through the express entry system represented 43% of all francophones outside Quebec from January to December 2021.

In 2021, the department also introduced components for francophone and bilingual candidates under the temporary resident to permanent resident pathway program for essential workers and students…

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Marc Dalton Conservative Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Thank you very much, Ms. Prince. I have only four minutes left.

Thank you for that information. Please forward any further comments you might have to us.

This target has been around for nearly 20 years, since 2003. As we've said, it's 4.4% of francophone immigration within the francophone minority community.

Have you conducted any studies to determine whether the target can help slow the decline in Canada's francophone population? That's my first question. Second, have you conducted any studies to determine whether those targets are enough to increase the percentage of francophones in the country?

These are important questions. Do you have any internal studies on this target?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joël Godin

You have 30 seconds to answer.

4:30 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Yes, we set up a task force to examine the target in May 2021. It was established in support of IRCC's mandate to review the target and consider what must be done to met it now and beyond 2023.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joël Godin

Thank you, Ms. Prince.

Thank you, Mr. Dalton.

We now give the floor to Angelo Iacono for six minutes.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Greetings to the entire delegation from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, and thank you for being here today.

Ms. Prince, awarding additional points to francophone and bilingual applicants is a good initiative. Once selected applicants have arrived, how does IRCC assist in their long-term settlement in francophone communities?

4:35 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

Thank you very much for that question, Mr. Chair.

Yes, long-term settlement is very important. In March 2019, IRCC implemented the meeting our objectives: francophone immigration strategy.

The purpose of that strategy is to achieve the three main objectives for supporting the vitality of francophone communities: to increase francophone immigration to Canada and outside Quebec, to support the integration and retention of French-speaking newcomers and, lastly, to strengthen the capacity of francophone communities.

Consequently, we also have a francophone integration pathway to retain newcomers to Canada and have increased its budget from $40 million in 2019‑2020 to $61 million in 2021‑2022.

These measures include French-language one-stop and pre-departure services to ensure that immigrants know what to expect when they arrive in Canada.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you, Ms. Prince.

Are there any figures or data on the 4.4% target you want to meet by 2023 that would indicate whether these new pathways to permanent residence are successful?

4:35 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

As regards the present target, francophones admitted in 2020 represented 3.6%…

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Do you have any figures for us on that?

4:35 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

Do you mean the number of newcomers?

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Angelo Iacono Liberal Alfred-Pellan, QC

Yes, but also the target you want to hit by 2023. You're looking at the figures for all years. Do you have any figures you can submit to us through the chair?

4:35 p.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Settlement and Integration, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Corinne Prince

Yes, we could forward them to the committee following the meeting.