Evidence of meeting #50 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was george.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
Yes, I was, for one year, in 2001.
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Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
I worked for.... I understand--
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Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
I worked for Chief Superintendent Cal Corley, and following that Ms. George came in the picture.
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
Okay. You worked under Ms. George previous to this criminal investigation.
Who did you work next to? Do you work near Ms. Rosalie Burton, next to her?
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Ottawa Police Service (Retired), As an Individual
I worked mostly with Mr. Fraser Macaulay, I worked with Dennis Fodor, and Ms. Burton came in the picture about half way through my secondment with the RCMP, yes.
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
I see.
Mr. Ewanovich was appointed by former commissioner Zaccardelli. A criminal investigation begins two days into it. When he hears about it, he shuts it down. After the efforts of a number of whistle-blowers, finally the inquiry comes to a conclusion. Mr. Zaccardelli quite clearly instructs Ms. George to.... He removes Mr. Ewanovich. She removes Mr. Crupi. The guidelines of the Public Service Staff Relations Act says that he's to leave without pay; however, he continues to receive pay. It's quite an amazing tale.
Ms. Burton, you were a person of interest. We've just heard of minutes of meetings that don't reflect what took place in those meetings. Ms. Burton, I'm curious, because there are so many interconnecting relationships here. When did you first meet Mr. Ewanovich?
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Former Director General of Human Resources, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, As an Individual
I met Jim Ewanovich several years ago when I was a student at the University of Ottawa and I had a panel of guest speakers in. I was the vice-president of the human resources committee and I invited speakers in from the public and private sectors to share career--
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
Thank you.
Did you previously work with him also at Treasury Board, or subsequently?
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Former Director General of Human Resources, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, As an Individual
I worked for him at the Treasury Board Secretariat, yes.
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
Did Mr. Ewanovich in fact recruit you to come over to the RCMP? I think you stated that previously.
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Former Director General of Human Resources, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, As an Individual
No, I did not state that previously.
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Former Director General of Human Resources, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, As an Individual
No, he did not.
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Liberal
Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON
Did he have anything to do with having you regularized as a public service employee?
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Former Director General of Human Resources, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, As an Individual
Regularized as a public service employee?
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Former Director General of Human Resources, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, As an Individual
That's 20-odd years ago you're asking me to recall.
No, actually it was Larry McCloskey, director of the Public Service Commission.
April 18th, 2007 / 5:05 p.m.
Conservative
David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON
Thank you, Chairman.
Very quickly, Mr. Roy, did Sergeant Frizzell understand the intricacies of the investigation? He worked with you for quite some time on this.
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Conservative
David Sweet Conservative Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, ON
He did clearly? There was no doubt in your mind he understood it clearly?
