Evidence of meeting #55 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was contracts.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
So in order to circumvent the rules of contracting, the RCMP had to pay Consulting and Audit Canada and Mr. Smith's company a piece of the pie, even though they really did not do any final work.
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Associate Partner, KPMG
Other than the administering of the contract and the handling of the invoices and payments, that was the process then employed.
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Conservative
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Associate Partner, KPMG
I believe it was, as Mr. Smith said, between 5% and 10% of the contract value.
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Associate Partner, KPMG
I believe it would have been somewhere in the range of $5,000 to $8,000.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
You're his second cousin.
You were involved in the political riding association where Mr. Smith was a political candidate. Is that not correct?
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As an Individual
In the riding association, I was suspended with pay in September 2004.
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Conservative
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As an Individual
No. I was suspended from work in September 2004, with pay. I joined Mr. Smith's riding association in December 2004.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
So you were secretary of the Liberal riding association in the riding of Pontiac?
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Did you think it was appropriate for you to be giving contracts to your cousin?
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As an Individual
I never gave a contract in my life, sir. I am not a contracting officer. I had no signing authority. The agency is the one that gave out contracts. I did not give contracts.
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
So you didn't make any decisions on who won bids? Because it indicates in the audit that you were involved in amending RFPs and directing these contracts.
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As an Individual
It's not an audit, for your information, it's a review. A big question that I had is how a report of this review was tabled to this committee without going through the proper channels, which is ATIP.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON
Yes. When he was competing for contracts, did you score his firm?