Evidence of meeting #8 for Public Accounts in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was space.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ronnie Campbell  Assistant Auditor General, Office of the Auditor General of Canada
David Marshall  Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Jim Libbey  Executive Director, Financial Systems Acceptance Authority, Office of the Comptroller General, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
Tim McGrath  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Blair James  Executive Director, Assets and Acquired Services Directorate, Government Operations Sector, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
Bruce Sloan  Principal, Office of the Auditor General of Canada
Peter Wilkins  Executive Director, Performance Review Division, Office of the Auditor General for Western Australia
John Shearer  Former Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Integration Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Margaret Bloodworth  Former Deputy Minister, Public Safety Emergency Preparedness Canada, As an Individual
Scott Leslie  Senior Director, Special Procurement Initiatives Directorate, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Jim Judd  Former Secretary, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat, As an Individual
John Wiersema  Deputy Auditor General, Office of the Auditor General of Canada

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you very much, Mr. Wiersema.

What I'm going to do now is ask Ms. Bloodworth, Mr. Judd, and Mr. Shearer whether they have any closing remarks.

1:55 p.m.

Former Deputy Minister, Public Safety Emergency Preparedness Canada, As an Individual

Margaret Bloodworth

The only comment I would make, Mr. Chair, is that I have many times over the course of my career, and I suspect over the coming course of my career, given advice to ministers that was not what they wanted to hear. And, frankly, if I didn't do that, I wouldn't be much use to them.

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Mr. Judd, do you have anything to add to what was said here today?

1:55 p.m.

Former Secretary, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat, As an Individual

Jim Judd

No, Mr. Chair.

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Mr. Shearer, Mr. Sano, Mr. Leslie, do you have any closing remarks?

1:55 p.m.

Former Assistant Deputy Minister, Service Integration Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

John Shearer

Nothing, Mr. Chair.

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Okay.

Do you have any final comments, Mr. Wiersema?

1:55 p.m.

Deputy Auditor General, Office of the Auditor General of Canada

John Wiersema

No, Mr. Chair.

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Before we adjourn--the witnesses can be excused--Members, we're going to deal with the ratification of the minutes of the steering committees. I'll ask you to remain around.

I want to thank the witnesses for appearing here today.

1:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Is it the steering committee?

2 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Colleagues, the last item we're going to deal with is the ratification of the minutes of the meeting of the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure, which was on Tuesday. They've been circulated. I'll just go over them very briefly. The first item is basically the agenda for the next two weeks. What the steering committee has decided is to attempt to write reports on chapters 5, 7, 8, and a special chapter on accounting, and that's what we'll start at our meeting next Tuesday.

Also, at the last meeting there was discussion on the chapter regarding Indian Affairs and Northern Development. The deputy minister was not in attendance. He did call me right after the meeting and he said he would be here. I brought this up at the steering committee and it was confirmed at the steering committee that we would invite him to appear. He's been confirmed from 11, but that should be a fairly brief appearance. I wouldn't want to waste a whole lot of time on that issue, but I think it is important that he attend.

On the next item, Members, we had a discussion on the briefings that we've been having over the last couple of weeks and we felt that they did not take the form we intended they should take and we've decided to discontinue them. At present, we may revisit it in a different format. Later on, maybe we'll just call the Auditor General's office--it depends on the topics we're dealing with--but right now we felt that, hey, they are much more formal than we thought and the members weren't really using them for a briefing; they were using them more for the substance of the report.

The third item is the round table on the committee's effectiveness and efficiency. That has been scheduled for Thursday, June 22. That would be the last meeting we would schedule. Depending on how Parliament does, we could continue, but we won't schedule anything after Thursday, June 22.

Mr. Christopherson.

2 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I have a comment on that, so there are no surprises. As it stands now, I may not be here for that discussion. I mention that because I was one of those who was most enthusiastic. If you see my absence, it's not that I don't care; it's because I'm elsewhere.

2 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Is there any discussion on the minutes that have been circulated?

2 p.m.

Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Mr. Chair, we're not going to have any more hearings of witnesses between now and then—

2 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

It all depends how we make out, Mr. Williams. We can. We have only taken away the June 22 meeting. We have three possible meetings. We don't know how we're going to make out, but you're quite right. If we get these reports done, and we'll be starting them on Tuesday—I can't see us doing them all in one meeting, so it will be two meetings minimum. But if we get them done next week, then we can have a hearing on Tuesday, June 20. We can do that.

Chapter 4, “Canadian Firearms Program” is our next one on the priorities.

2 p.m.

Conservative

John Williams Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Firearms again? Wow. It never goes away.

2 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Is there any further discussion?

If not, I'll entertain a motion for their acceptance. Is someone prepared to move that? Mr. Watson has so moved.

(Motion agreed to)

2 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

The meeting is adjourned.