Evidence of meeting #4 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was needs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Roger Préfontaine
Johanne Vallée  Deputy Commissioner, Quebec Region, Correctional Service Canada
Andrée Gaudet  Associate Director, Montreal-Metropolitan District, Correctional Service Canada
Christine Perreault  Regional Coordinator, Institutional Mental Health, Quebec Region, Correctional Service Canada

5:15 p.m.

Deputy Commissioner, Quebec Region, Correctional Service Canada

Johanne Vallée

You have to manage your population, that's for sure.

Regionally, we manage the population. We have a regional management population committee, and on a regular basis, with the support of the security and intelligence officers, we'll gather information on the population and try to be sure that by putting different kinds of inmates together we won't create a bigger problem. So we manage that.

Also, locally, at the institutional level, you need to manage your population to make sure that you don't have too much incompatibility among offenders, and again, to use all sorts of strategies to reduce the level of segregation. Sometimes it's true that they are afraid, but sometimes they are afraid for bad reasons—because of perception of the population; because they don't know exactly how they will integrate—and you need to support them and to monitor that. That's why we have a peer program in Quebec in some institutions where other offenders will support the reintegration in the wing of the other offenders.

We cannot avoid segregation, but we truly need to monitor it.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

I think it's fair to say that the people running the institutions and the people working in the institutions would like to find other means but sometimes don't have those means, whatever they may be, out there. You use all the tools you have, but sometimes it just comes down to needing to find that space to have someone isolated from others.

Is that fair?

5:15 p.m.

Deputy Commissioner, Quebec Region, Correctional Service Canada

Johanne Vallée

I don't think it happens a lot.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

No, but there are times, and that's what we saw in England. They told us exactly the same story, and then you find that they have a room in that manner. And in Norway also.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

We're going to have to wrap it up. The bells are ringing.

Thank you very, very much. We appreciate you coming before the committee. You've had a lot of questions here and things have gone well. Thank you again.

The meeting stands adjourned.