Public Safety Committee on July 25th, 2022

Evidence of meeting #31 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Allegations of Political Interference in the 2020 Nova Scotia Mass Murder Investigation

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rob Stewart Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Brenda Lucki Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commissioner Brian Brennan Deputy Commissioner, Contract and Indigenous Policing, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commissioner Lee Bergerman Former Assistant Commissioner and Commanding Officer, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Nova Scotia, As an Individual

Sharon Tessier Former Director General, National Communication Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, As an Individual

Superintendent Chris Leather Criminal Operations Officer, Nova Scotia, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Clerk of the Committee Ms. Josée Harrison

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Do we have other commentary or observations?

Are there other hands up, Clerk?

2:45 p.m.

The Clerk

Yes, Mr. Anandasangaree would like to speak.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Go ahead.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

Thank you.

With the greatest respect to Mr. Perkins, I would disagree. Disclosure of this nature is undertaken strictly at the level of the departmental officials and not at the minister's office or the minister's discretion in any circumstances.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Do we have other hands up?

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Ms. Michaud.

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Maybe we could compromise and not have the minister, just his officials.

I don't know if that would please everyone.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

That would be in the form of a subamendment, I would gather. We have to deal with the amendment that's on the floor now.

2:45 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Very well.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Are there any comments about the amendment?

If there aren't, we'll go to a vote. If there are, I'd like to know whose hands are up.

2:45 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Anandasangaree.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Chair, with respect to Ms. Michaud's amendment, we would be in agreement with that, if that is the will of the committee.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Clerk, do we then proceed to a vote on the amendment or do we introduce a subamendment as Ms. Michaud has suggested?

2:45 p.m.

The Clerk

You can vote on the subamendment by Ms. Michaud and then go from there.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Remind us what the substance of that subamendment is, Clerk.

2:45 p.m.

The Clerk

The subamendment, I believe, was to simply remove the minister and to keep the officials in the motion.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Okay. Do we have comment on the subamendment before we go to a vote?

2:45 p.m.

The Clerk

There are no comments in the room.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Let's take the subamendment to a vote.

Clerk, remind us about what the vote constitutes and then call the roll, please.

2:45 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Lloyd would like to speak first.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Go ahead, Mr. Lloyd.

2:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

Can I just move that we have unanimous consent on the subamendment?

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

That's music to my ears. We have agreement and unanimity that the subamendment, as articulated by the clerk a moment ago, shall pass.

(Subamendment agreed to)

We move back to the amendment.

Can you remind us, Clerk, of the amendment we're debating?

2:45 p.m.

The Clerk

Yes. The amendment was to remove both the minister and the officials from the motion. Now the officials remain in the motion per the subamendment, so it gets a little bit tricky here. You're now just removing the minister from the motion.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jim Carr

Yes, there's agreement to remove the minister. There's no agreement that I've heard to remove the officials; the officials should stay as part of the amended motion.