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Evidence of meeting #31 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.
A video is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #31 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was information.
A video is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
Can you please clarify what you said earlier to my colleague?
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
I said that my understanding and recollection is that the commissioner, following the event and including the press conferences of April 24 and April 28, was making a promise in the general sense to the minister that information—the full amount of information that she thought appropriate—would be disclosed.
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
You believe that she believed she was making a promise to the minister to disclose this information?
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
I think she had a conversation—not with me in the room, but I talk to her periodically. I think she was making a commitment that, as the investigation proceeded they would—
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
This was a meeting with the commissioner and the minister, but you were not in the room?
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Correct.
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Conservative
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
To be honest, I don't know when the commissioner and the minister talk.
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
You were aware of a meeting that took place and the minister would have been in that meeting.
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
I believe there were a number of conversations, as the minister has said.
11:50 a.m.
Conservative
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
In the aftermath of that event there was.... I don't recall. The schedules will obviously tell you the truth here—
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
I just find it very interesting that as the deputy minister in a case like this, you were not involved in all conversations taking place between the commissioner and the minister on this matter.
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
The heads of these organizations, including Brenda Lucki and the heads of CSIS and CBSA, are independently accountable to the minister. I'm not in every conversation.
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
I understand.
You had said earlier in the meeting that when she sent that email, you were aware that it was regarding information about the guns. Was that the execution she was talking about?
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
No, I don't—
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Conservative
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Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
I think the commitment was that the situation and what was happening with the investigation would be fulsome and forthcoming.
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
When you got an email like that and you didn't really understand exactly what she's talking about, did you send a follow-up to ask, “What are you talking about, Commissioner? What execution are you referencing?”
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Conservative
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Conservative
Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB
Are you aware of any meetings with the minister's chief of staff and the commissioner of the RCMP prior to the press conference to discuss whether or not information about the firearms would be disclosed?
11:50 a.m.
Deputy Minister, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
No, I'm not aware.