Public Safety Committee on May 11th, 2023

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

I'll resume the meeting.

Mr. Julian has the floor.

Mr. Julian, would you like to reread your amendment?

[Peter Julian, NDP, New Westminster—Burnaby, BC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

That will be very different from what I just proposed.

I want to thank the officials for producing the bilingual versions so fast; they are very high quality.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

I'm sorry, Mr. Julian.

Mr. Shipley, do you have an issue with translation?

[Doug Shipley, Conservative, Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON]

No, but I have a point of order.

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[Doug Shipley, Conservative, Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON]

I hear Taleeb's concern about my attendance at the committee. I've been here virtually the whole time.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

That's not a point of order. We need to keep that off-line.

We're under way with Mr. Julian's amendment, and we need to carry on with it.

Mr. Julian, please carry on.

[Pam Damoff, Liberal, Oakville North—Burlington, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

Mr. Shipley needs headphones if he's going to speak.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Absolutely.

Mr. Shipley, you need your headphones.

Mr. Julian, please continue.

[Peter Julian, NDP, New Westminster—Burnaby, BC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm pleased to see you, Mr. Shipley.

My amendment deals with subclause 30(3) of Bill C-21. It reads as follows:

Authorizations to carry referred to in paragraph 20(a) are not valid outside the geographic area set in the authorization by Commissioner. Authorizations to carry referred to in paragraph 20(b) are not valid outside the province in which they are issued.

That creates two different ways of dealing with authorizations to carry, for paragraphs 20(a) and 20(b).

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Mr. Julian, do you have that in hard copy, so we can distribute it to the committee?

Is it already distributed? Okay.

Madam Michaud.

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

Thank you for moving this amendment, Mr. Julian.

Ms. Mainville-Dale, you have answered my question, but I just want to make sure I have understood correctly.

This means that the provincial commissioner has the power to decide the outcome for the individual.

Is that correct?

[Rachel Mainville-Dale]

Yes, that's correct.

When an individual needs an authorization to carry to protect their life, and let us agree that these are a few rare special cases, the commissioner will be able to establish a geographic range that is suited to their needs.

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

Perfect.

So it falls within the commissioner's prerogative.

[Rachel Mainville-Dale]

Yes, that's right.

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

That's great.

In the written version of Mr. Julian's amendment, there is an "à" missing in the last sentence, after "prévues" and before "l'alinéa".

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Thank you.

Can we consider that corrected?

There's an accent missing in Mr. Julian's French version.

Madam Michaud, could you say that again, please?

[Kristina Michaud, Bloc, Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC]

In the last sentence of the French version, there is an "à" missing between the word prévues" and "l'alinéa" in the segment that reads "l'autorisation de port prévues l'alinéa."

We could correct that before voting on the amendment.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Mr. Julian, is that how you moved this?

[Peter Julian, NDP, New Westminster—Burnaby, BC]

Yes, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

We have more.

Carry on, Mr. Clerk.

[Philippe Méla]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

There are other corrections that need to be made to the French version of Mr. Julian's amendment.

In the segment that reads "L'autorisation de port prévues," there should not be an "s" on the word "prévues". In the word "établit," the "t" should be replaced by an "e". And again, in the segment that reads "L'autorisation de port prévues," there should not be an "s" on the word "prévues."

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Can we consider that those changes have been made and have been unanimously adopted?

[Some hon. members]

Agreed.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Thank you.

The debate on Mr. Julian's amendment continues.

Is there any further discussion on Mr. Julian's motion?

Mr. Calkins.