Evidence of meeting #67 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Rachel Mainville-Dale  Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Sandro Giammaria  Counsel, Department of Justice
Phaedra Glushek  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Rob Mackinnon  Director, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Kellie Paquette  Director General, Canadian Firearms Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Pascale Bourassa  Acting Director General, Directorate of Security and Safeguards, Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission

11:15 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

Personally, I think I would write "aux personnes ou aux entreprises dans leur pratique normale d'opération."

We would have to talk about it at greater length.

11:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any further discussion?

Madam Michaud, go ahead.

11:15 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

When a comma is missing or there are passages that are not logical, the legislative clerk can make changes without first obtaining the committee's consent.

In this case, do we need to know immediately how it is going to be worded in French?

11:15 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

No, Ms. Michaud. We can get the translation tomorrow, once all the ends have been tied up.

11:15 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

You have my full confidence, Mr. Clerk.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any further discussion on the subamendment? It's really an amendment, but never mind. We won't get into that.

All in favour of the subamendment?

I'm told that it's not proper procedure when we're on Zoom, but we'll try to correct our errors and not do this anymore. That's unanimous, I believe.

(Subamendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Now we go back to the main amendment by Madam Michaud.

Do you wish to speak again to this?

11:20 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I thank my Conservative colleagues for moving this amendment. It seems to make sense. I do see a certain logic in it. It might have a major impact on the film industry and on public safety departments and organizations in Canada.

I am going to vote in favour of the amendment.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

All right. Is there any further discussion on the main amendment as amended?

I see none, so shall we pass this unanimously?

I believe it's unanimous.

(Amendment as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:20 p.m.

Conservative

Dane Lloyd Conservative Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB

We should have had more conflict.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I'm sure we'll have other opportunities.

Shall clause 44 as amended carry?

(Clause 44 as amended agreed to on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(On clause 45)

That brings us to clause 45 and amendment NDP-20.

Mr. Julian, if you please, go ahead in the name of Mr. MacGregor.

11:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Mr. Chair, I believe this is consequential to the adoption of NDP-1. We adopted it last night and came back to it earlier this evening. Because we defined “protection order”, it would simply remove lines 9 and 10 from page 29, which talks about defining the expression “protection order” for the purpose of this act.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Thank you, Mr. Julian.

Go ahead, Ms. Damoff.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I have a question for the officials.

Is this just a coordinating amendment? What impact would this have? We want to make sure the government can consult with provinces, territories and indigenous stakeholders and will be able to develop regulations.

Could you let us know what impact deleting this would have?

11:20 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

I believe that, at the beginning of the session today, there was a subamendment made to NDP-1 that reinserted the regulation-making authority for the government. Therefore, you may want to consider keeping the regulation-making authority for protection orders.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

To clarify, if we delete this, are we removing the regulatory ability?

11:20 p.m.

Acting Director General, Firearms Policy, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Rachel Mainville-Dale

It's an important coordinating amendment to keep both of them.

In the beginning, in the definition—I would have to go back and look; perhaps the legislative clerk could read it out again—it talks about means as prescribed, I believe. It would be important to list them in both places.

11:20 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

In that case, Mr. Chair, I'll ask, through you, for unanimous consent to withdraw it.

11:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Absolutely. I think we have that consent.

(Amendment withdrawn)

That brings us to G-44, in the name of Mr. Noormohamed.

Would you like to move this, Ms. Damoff?

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON

I would be happy to move it, Mr. Chair.

Before we started this bill, many months ago, I did a handy-dandy little cheat sheet of my own, with all the ghost gun amendments. G-44 is, I believe, the last coordinating amendment that will add “firearm parts”. Much like the previous 40 amendments, this is adding two words to this particular clause. It's a coordinating amendment married to the amendments we passed last night.

I think all of us are losing track of which day we are in, but it was last night we passed it, maybe even the day before. It might have been the day before. Yes, I think Mr. Lloyd is right.

Anyway, I trust that, as with all the other firearm parts amendments, we can pass this unanimously.

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any further discussion on this amendment?

I'm seeing none.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

That brings us to BQ-22, in the name of Madam Michaud.

Ms. Michaud, you have the floor.

11:25 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The purpose of amendment BQ-22 was to regulate the transportation, storage and use of airsoft pistols. However, it was simply decided to remove airsoft pistols from the bill, because, we were told, the government already had the ability to regulate the use of these pistols.

What I am going to do is simply not move this amendment.

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Okay. BQ-22 is withdrawn.

That takes us to BQ-23.

Ms. Michaud, you have the floor.

11:25 p.m.

Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Amendment BQ-23 is the second last amendment to coordinate with the previous ones regarding cartridge magazines. For the benefit of colleagues who were not here, everyone was in favour of almost all the amendments concerning cartridge magazines. The purpose of amendment BQ-23 is to require that a valid licence be presented for the acquisition of a cartridge magazine, on the same basis as for ammunition.

Everyone should therefore be able to vote for this amendment.

Thank you.

11:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any discussion on BQ-23?

Seeing none, do we have unanimous consent?

11:25 p.m.

An hon member

On division.