Evidence of meeting #74 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

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MPs speaking

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Simon Larouche

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I have a point of order. Mr. Chair, the motion isn't in order. We already voted on it. The member opposite's motion would need to be.... This could be a notice of motion, but it's not in order since we are currently on Bill C-20.

5:30 p.m.

An hon. member

I have a point of order.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

Just wait a second on all of these points of order.

The clerk has informed me that if there is unanimous consent on that, we could go forward with that.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

For clarification, Mr. Chair, I am asking this committee for unanimous consent—

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

On a point of order, we already voted.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

So you want to protect Paul Bernardo—just for the record.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. If we are going to play that game, and the member opposite.... We had the motion before us previously. In fact, it was our members who brought it forward. We were working collectively.

Mr. Chair, if the members opposite didn't come prepared to deal with Bill C-20, then they should just let everyone know instead of trying to make a political show of horrific—

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

This is sounding like debate now. Is this your point of order?

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

In fairness, Mr. Chair, if you're going to allow other members to make very derogatory accusations about some members....

Isn't that right, Mr. Chair? We are trying to get to a place—

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Let's debate this issue.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

Let's not.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Mr. Chair, the motion was ruled out of order.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

I understand that.

We have not received unanimous consent, so we will move on.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

On the same point of order, Chair...?

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

Make it quick, Mr. Genuis, please.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

My colleague put forward a good-faith attempt to come to a compromise. If we don't have a compromise, then I have a motion that's on the floor, so I'm happy to speak to that.

If we could have some clarity about exactly where we are...? Our goal is to get to a point—

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

Just a minute, Mr. Genuis, because we're losing track a bit.

That was the one, just before we were going to take our break, that we were getting translation for. Everybody has received that in their emails.

You are correct, Mr. Genuis. That is on the floor, effectively. We left that off to get translation. Would you like to speak to that?

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Yes. Thank you, Chair.

The goal of the Conservative Party—

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

I have a point of order.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

—at this committee is to allow representatives of the families of Bernardo's victims to come and tell their stories.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

Mr. Genuis, we have a point of order.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I question whether this motion is in order given that we already voted on the subject of it.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

On the same point of order, on what possible basis could this be out of order?

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley

I have not recognized you yet, Mr. Genuis, please.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm sorry. I have a point of order.