Evidence of meeting #74 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Unfortunately, the members opposite don't recognize that it's actually not appropriate to introduce the same motion we've now voted on effectively twice.
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Mr. Genuis, I believe the committee has already made a decision on this matter.
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Conservative
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Conservative
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I have a couple of points.
The motion I previously put forward was, through the committee's decision, deemed not in order. No reason was provided by the member presenting the challenge as to why it wouldn't be in order, but I have, in any event, presented a completely different motion.
If the previous motion wasn't in order, this motion certainly is in order, because it doesn't make mention of any other issues. It says, simply, that the matter at hand is the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-20, and the motion I moved is that the committee not proceed any further with clause-by-clause on Bill C-20. It is entirely implausible that this motion would be out of order as it is substantially different from the previous motion that was on the table.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Give me one more minute, Mr. Genuis.
Go ahead, Ms. O'Connell.
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I believe you ruled the motion—and correct me if I'm wrong—not in order. Is the member opposite challenging your ruling?
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
I don't believe he is. I'm going to hear him out. He says that he has a different motion.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Yes, I'm moving a different motion. If I have the floor again, I will just declare that I'm moving the motion that the committee not proceed any further with clause-by-clause of Bill C-20. That is the motion I'm moving.
I don't think any plausible reading of the rules would find that out of order, given that it is on the matter being considered quite directly. It doesn't reference any other matters, and I'll proceed to speak to it.
The previous discussion at the committee dealt with—
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
On a point of order, he can't continue to filibuster while you're consulting the clerk.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
I'm sorry, Mr. Genuis. Just give me one moment here while I speak with the clerk.
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Mr. Genuis, I'm being instructed by the clerk on his savvy advice that we've already discussed that matter and your motion is not in order.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Okay. Chair, I will move that the committee report to the House that we have reached an impasse on studying the transfer of Paul Bernardo to medium security; and that the chair inform the House that as a result the consideration of Bill C-20 will be delayed.
That motion is I think an important one in a context where this committee should be willing to have one meeting to hear about the transfer of Paul Bernardo. We have victims' families that want to be heard on this matter. We want to have one meeting to allow victims' families—
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An hon. member
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
It is debate, yes. I just moved a motion. I'm now engaging in debate.
We have victims' families that want to be heard at this committee, that want to be heard in one meeting—
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Liberal
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—and Liberals are insisting that they will do anything to prevent—
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Mr. Genuis, just hold your thoughts for one moment.
Ms. O'Connell, can you just give us one minute here?
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I can just as long as the point of order is recognized. Thank you.