Public Safety Committee on Oct. 4th, 2023

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

The clerk is informing me that because this is a motion to report back to the House, this is a different and new motion. I have not ruled on this one yet. I will say that it's in order.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

Mr. Chair, I challenge your ruling.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

I'm not surprised by that.

We will call the vote.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

For clarification, again, a “no” is that you do not support the chair's ruling, and a “yes” is that you support the chair's ruling.

Is that correct, Mr. Clerk?

[The Clerk]

That is correct. The question is, shall the decision of the chair be sustained?

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

Thank you.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Just on a point of order, the member opposite was able to ask a question of the clerk about procedure and the clerk answered directly—

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

I'm sorry. That was my fault. I should have jumped in there more quickly, Mr. Genuis.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll try to do a better job.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

In past—

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Mr. Genuis, I haven't recognized you yet either.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Okay. I have a point of order.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Go ahead, Mr. Genuis.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On committees that I've been on in the past, it's been relatively routine for committee members to be able to raise questions of procedure. With the chair's permission, the clerk has weighed in. I don't think there's anything—

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

I have a point of order.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

—inappropriate about the clerk's weighing in. I just question the fact that.... The fact is that we have a situation in which some of the—

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

This is a point of order, Ms. O'Connell.

We have a situation where—

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Mr. Genuis, thank you. I've heard your point.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

—the chair's rulings are being overruled even when they're obviously in order and the clerk's not been able to weigh in. That's a concern.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Mr. Genuis, please respect the chair.

Go ahead, Ms. O'Connell.

[Jennifer O'Connell, Liberal, Pickering—Uxbridge, ON]

There's a motion to challenge the chair. There is no debate on that.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

Let's go to that vote. Is it the will of the committee to have a recorded vote?

[An hon. member]

Yes.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

We can adopt the motion on division.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Doug Shipley]

No, we'll go to a recorded vote.