Evidence of meeting #74 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Are we good to get started again?
Everyone, let's get back to business.
I'll tell you what: If anybody else wants to keep the chair informed of the score once we get going, feel free. The Blues Jays are on at 4:30. I see a thumbs-up in the back of the room.
Thank you, everyone, and thank you very much to the witnesses.
Go ahead, Mr. Genuis.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Thank you.
I move that the committee not proceed with clause-by-clause on Bill C-20 until it has disposed of the motion respecting the Paul Bernardo transfer and the invitation to representatives of the victims' families.
Chair, I am gravely concerned about what has just taken place and what we see happening in this country in general. It would seem at a minimum level of reasonableness that the public safety committee would be able to have one meeting—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I'm not talking about multiple meetings. We're talking about one meeting—
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
—to hear from the families of victims of Paul Bernardo.
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Conservative
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
Mr. Chair, I would ask to see if this is in order. It's a direct conflict with the motion that was just passed.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Chair, could I maybe just speak to the point of order as you're deliberating? Thank you.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
Just give me one moment.
Through discussions with the clerk, we did leave off last time in a very precarious area, and I do know that the clerk of that day did want to carry on. It is my decision to make, and I will hear you, Mr. Genuis, so carry on.
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I'm sorry. On a point of order, Mr. Chair, are you ruling that his motion is in order?
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Did you want me to speak to the point of order?
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
No, I have the floor. I've asked a question of the chair, not to you.
Mr. Chair—
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
I'm asking if you ruled that the motion is in order.
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
I have ruled that I would hear Mr. Genuis because I did get information—
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Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Doug Shipley
May I speak? I did get confirmation from the clerk that the final decision is up to me, and I'm making that decision now to hear Mr. Genuis.
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Liberal
Jennifer O'Connell Liberal Pickering—Uxbridge, ON
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I'd like to challenge the chair's ruling.
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Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Just on a point of order, he hasn't made a ruling yet. I think he was inviting me to comment on the point of order before making a ruling, so he hasn't made a ruling—