Evidence of meeting #30 for Public Safety and National Security in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbsa.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Toxopeus  Director General, Commercial Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency
Anson  Director General, Intelligence and Investigations, Canada Border Services Agency
Hamilton  President and Chief Executive Officer, Hamilton-Oshawa Port Authority
Viau  General Director, Société du Port de Valleyfield

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I call this meeting to order.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Welcome to meeting number 30 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security.

Before we hear from the witnesses, I want to ask the committee to consider the budget that the clerk distributed to the members yesterday. The budget concerns our study of the Canada Border Services Agency's role in the H2O highway corridor and port clearance practices.

Please note that the budget amounts are estimates and that the committee may spend less on this study. The unexpended funds will be returned to the Liaison Committee. If you have any questions, the clerk will be happy to answer them.

Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the budget?

(Motion agreed to)

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Now that the budget has been adopted, we can move on to the next item.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, March 24, 2026, we're meeting today to study the role of the Canada Border Services Agency in the H2O highway corridor and port clearance practices.

I would now like to welcome our two witnesses for the first hour.

From the Canada Border Services Agency, we're joined by Daniel Anson, director general, intelligence and investigations, and Cathy Toxopeus, director general, commercial programs directorate.

You have five minutes for your opening remarks.

Cathy Toxopeus Director General, Commercial Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Good afternoon.

My name is Cathy Toxopeus. I'm the director general of commercial programs at the Canada Border Services Agency, or CBSA. I'm joined by Daniel Anson, the director general of intelligence and investigations.

We appreciate the opportunity to contribute to the committee's study. Facilitating trade and the movement of goods is a critical part of the CBSA's mandate. We take our work supporting and strengthening the Canadian economy seriously.

Another central part of our mandate is to protect the health, safety and security of Canadians. The CBSA's presence in the trade continuum is required not only to move goods efficiently but also to intercept contraband from being imported into or exported out of Canada. CBSA officers examine high-risk marine cargo at a vessel's first point of arrival.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Sorry to interrupt you, Ms. Toxopeus. You're speaking a bit fast. The interpreters are having trouble keeping up with you.

3:35 p.m.

Director General, Commercial Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Cathy Toxopeus

Should I speak more slowly?

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Yes.

3:35 p.m.

Director General, Commercial Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

Cathy Toxopeus

Okay. Thank you.

Inspections may be performed at dockside or they may involve full off-load examinations at dedicated marine container examination facilities. Such facilities are currently in place at Canada's five major ports: Halifax, Saint John, Montreal, Vancouver and Prince Rupert. These locations deploy state-of-the-art tools, such as monitored radiation screening portals, non-intrusive large-scale imaging, and secure examination spaces, in addition to trained CBSA personnel.

Good security is the foundation that allows trade to flow smoothly and reliably. The CBSA's presence at ports also helps disrupt transnational organized crime by intercepting contraband such as drugs, precursors and stolen vehicles.

In support of supply chain fluidity, in addition to Canada's five major ports, there are also 213 marine ports that deal with the import and export of bulk goods such as grain, steel and natural gas. The CBSA also leverages inland warehouses across the country to conduct commercial examinations away from the big five marine ports.

The CBSA is aware of calls for increased presence and capacity at some smaller ports on the St. Lawrence River. I can assure you that the agency is always looking at ways to better support trade in Canada.

We're committed to continuing to work and collaborate with our commercial partners and supply chain stakeholders, including smaller port operators, in order to strengthen the Canadian economy and protect Canadians. The agency regularly assesses the allocation of resources in order to respond to evolving trends, threats and service needs at all ports of entry, including shipping ports and rail yards.

It's important to note that decisions made relating to port infrastructure and supply chain fluidity fall outside the scope of the CBSA. Supporting stability in the commercial supply chain requires a whole‑of‑government approach.

We work with Transport Canada, Global Affairs and other federal and provincial departments and agencies to support regional and national trade goals. We are always looking at what's needed to determine whether to expand service at priority locations.

The CBSA and port owners and operators also have a joint responsibility for the costs related to port development. In order for ports to receive international marine containerized cargo, they must meet CBSA requirements for licensing and infrastructure to support the resources and detection technology to adequately screen for health, safety and security needs. To this end, the CBSA is committed to working with stakeholders to ensure that the supply chain is tooled for efficiency and best serves Canada's economic needs and ambition.

In closing, we want to thank the CBSA employees, who work around the clock and across the country. Their presence ensures public safety, facilitates trade and supports our economy.

Thank you for the opportunity to appear before the committee. I would be happy to answer any questions.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Good. Thank you for your remarks.

I'll now give the floor to Ms. Kirkland for six minutes.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Thank you.

I'm sorry. I'm behind the eight ball a bit. I was expecting Mr. Anson to do five minutes as well, but I obviously didn't catch on as quickly as I should have.

I appreciate your remarks at the beginning. They were very quick, so I'm trying to catch up.

Mr. Anson and Ms. Toxopeus, I appreciate that you take the work seriously. The safety of Canadians is very important. You agree, of course, that it's a very important job and that our border must be secure. At this committee, I have repeatedly talked about the psychological safety of our employees at the CBSA. I will talk about that in terms of keeping our border safe, in that vein of questioning.

I'd like to ask each of you—you can answer just yes or no—if you are aware of the growing complaints of stonewalling investigations and toxic work environments from current and former CBSA employees.

3:40 p.m.

Director General, Commercial Programs Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

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Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

You're both aware. I would like to hear each of your reactions to the complaints and how you feel about them.

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

On a point of order, Chair, I'm not quite sure how this relates to the study. I thought we were studying ports. Why are we asking about the work environment of the CBSA? I know there should be some accommodation and some spectrum of questions, but this seems totally off-topic.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Thank you, Mr. Powlowski.

Madame Kirkland heard the suggestion, so she can see whether it is useful.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Thank you for the suggestion. However, the trade ability, supply chains and the safety at our ports.... It is very relevant that folks feel psychologically safe when they're working for the CBSA.

I'm actually going to jump to the detector dog service—

Jacques Ramsay Liberal La Prairie—Atateken, QC

On a point of order, we already have a study planned on this matter, so I think we might be doubling what could be said.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

This is technically not a point of order, but a suggestion that Madame Kirkland may or may not want to use, depending on her own judgment.

Madame Kirkland, the floor is yours.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

The points of order seem strange to me. I don't really understand why this is happening. I'm being very open and honest about the safety of workers at the CBSA.

An hon. member

Oh, oh!

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Perhaps the men on this committee can—

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

Your time is not running, MP Kirkland.

Okay, guys. Order. Otherwise, we'll have to suspend, and we have important work to do and important witnesses to listen to. We'll be fair to the witnesses, who took the time to come here, and we'll also be fair to Madame Kirkland, who wants to use her time to ask questions.

You have about—

Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

You have the floor, Mr. Barsalou‑Duval.

Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC

Mr. Chair, I would like to know whether you have the authority required to address the behaviour of the committee members. I find some of the behaviour displayed towards others rather rude. I don't want to name names. However, you must have an idea of whom I'm talking about.

I don't think that this reflects well on the committee, on parliamentarians and on our work. Even if the statements aren't recorded, we shouldn't accept this here. I would like you to step in or at least refocus the debate, if possible.

The Chair Liberal Jean-Yves Duclos

I would like to share three responses to this topic.

First, welcome, Mr. Barsalou‑Duval, to your first meeting with this committee.

Second, this committee has run quite smoothly up until now. Perhaps your presence, although I don't think so, is creating this mess.

Third, given how smoothly the committee has run so far, I'm hopeful and confident that we'll continue to run smoothly in a spirit of respect for everyone and effective dialogue.

That said, let's pull ourselves together.

MP Kirkland, the floor is yours.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rhonda Kirkland Conservative Oshawa, ON

Do I get to reclaim my time?