Evidence of meeting #43 for Status of Women in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was departments.

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Monique Boudrias  Executive Vice-President, Public Service Human Resources Management Agency of Canada
Linda Lizotte-MacPherson  Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat
Kathy O'Hara  Senior Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Human Resources and Social Development
Donna Miller  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Justice
Janet Siddall  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

3:55 p.m.

Executive Vice-President, Public Service Human Resources Management Agency of Canada

Monique Boudrias

Thank you, Madam Chair. It is a pleasure for me to be here this afternoon as a representative of the Treasury Board portfolio.

When I last spoke to this committee in March of 2005, I provided an overview of the significant work we do in support of gender equality. Today I would like to provide you with a bit of a progress report and tell you how we are integrating gender equality analysis and gender issues into our ongoing work.

The Public Service Human Resources Management Agency has a lead role for implementing the government human resources modernization and renewal agenda.

The Agency plays a leadership role in a variety of ways. One of its critical tasks, under the Employment Equity Act, is to ensure that Canada's Public Service is both representative and inclusive. Thus, women's issues are important to us not only because the Act requires that we pay attention to them, but also because they are a key component of our institutional values.

Two of those values, equality and equity, are widely integrated across the Public Service and ensure optimal use of the talents and skills of Canadians, as well as the elimination of barriers to women's full participation in the Public Service of Canada and federal work places.

As part of the Treasury Board portfolio, we work in close collaboration with the Treasury Board Secretariat to strengthen and renew the policy framework of the government. Consequently, our HR policy analysts have the same opportunity to follow the courses on gender-based analysis.

In support of this work and as a reflection of our lead responsibility for HR management in the public service, we are undertaking an exhaustive consultative process with key stakeholders, including unions, to modernize our HR policies. The consultation process helps to ensure that a diversity of perspectives and concerns, including gender equality, are brought to bear on the development of new and revised policies.

In the same vein, the development of new classification standards for the public service of Canada, as well as analysis and gender-related issues are key concerns for us. We want to ensure that the work carried out by both men and women is valued equally. Our efforts to modernize the classification system stem directly from that value.

As we seek to modernize the Public Service of Canada, and as we strive to sustain the delivery of excellent services to Canadians, we are also strengthening our accountability frameworks and incorporating gender analysis. Our efforts are coordinated with those of the Treasury Board Secretariat, under the management accountability framework, which has specific components addressing human resource management as well as values and ethics.

We have developed the people component of the management accountability framework, which identifies seven strategic outcomes. Each outcome has multiple indicators that enable us to assess, monitor, and take into account the overall health of human resource management in the public service.

We are now in the process of collecting and analyzing departmental information from that exercise, and we will be using it to assist departments in improving, among other things, their performance with respect to employment equity and achievement of equity-based goals. We will do this by providing advice, sharing information and best practices, and having workshops and information sessions.

Additionally, we have strengthened our research capacity to ensure that we can improve not only human resource management practices but also human resource planning in the public service, by facilitating the identification of current and future needs for human resource management. Such analysis will continue to include a significant gender dimension as we seek to capitalize on higher female participation rates in our labour force and as we respond to challenges in the areas of recruitment, retention, demands for alternative working arrangements, learning, and career progression of our employees, including persons in all the employment equity groups.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joy Smith

I want to thank you very much for your presentation, Ms. Boudrias. That was very well done. We look forward to the question and answer period.

Before we get to that, we were supposed to have representation today from the Department of Finance. Unfortunately, Rob Wright, the Deputy Minister of Finance, has been advised of a last-minute meeting with the minister. He said he'd be very pleased to appear at a later time before the committee, and he has been so kind as to provide me with some speaking notes, but he did not have time to have them translated, so those will be translated and distributed to the committee as well.

Actually, documents from the Department of Finance--I've been advised--are available in both languages. It's the Treasury Board document that needs to be translated still, so you'll get that at a later date. Sorry about that. We'll make sure the committee is provided with all these documents.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Do we get that right now? I think it would affect our questions.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joy Smith

They have been distributed already, and you should have them in front of you.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Could the Department of Finance not find somebody to send?

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joy Smith

This was right at the last minute, so the Deputy Minister of Finance--

4 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

That's the whole point.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Excuse me. Order, please.

The Deputy Minister of Finance will appear before the committee at a later date. This was unavoidable.

Now I would like to go into the question period. To start, the questioners have the question and answer period--

4 p.m.

Conservative

Patricia Davidson Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

I wonder, Madam Chair, if I could just add, for the benefit of Dr. Bennett, that I think this committee made it clear that we wanted deputy ministers or assistant deputy ministers, and that's perhaps why there wasn't someone else sent in his place.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Thank you, Ms. Davidson.

Now if we're all ready, we will proceed to the question and answer period. We will have seven minutes per questioner, starting with Ms. Minna, please.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Yes, it is unfortunate that the representative from Finance isn't here, because it's actually at the core of a lot of what happened, especially with budget time.

I thank all of the deputy ministers who have come today, because this is very important.

My first question actually had to do with Finance, but I think some of the questions I can ask, and maybe the relationship to Finance is also here, because essentially you need to deal with that.

My first question was on the kind of financial resources you have and your departments receive. We don't know about other departments. Some of you are doing some good work with respect to maintaining and training in this area.

Just very briefly, I have a series of questions, if you wouldn't mind giving me some quick answers, if you could, in terms of your financial resources dedicated to this area. What resources are you given or have you put aside?

The other question is. this. At budget time, does the Department of Finance expect whatever proposals go from your departments into the budget to have a GB analysis done before they go into the budget process, rather than after the fact?

4:05 p.m.

Senior Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Human Resources and Social Development

Kathy O'Hara

We have, as I mentioned in my comments, a unit of three FTEs dedicated to that. Unfortunately, I can't tell you what the operating budget is, because that's where some of the training is, but I could get you that information.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

That would be helpful.

Go ahead, just very briefly.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Joy Smith

Ms. Miller.

4:05 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Justice

Donna Miller

Sorry, I wasn't sure who your question was directed to.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

It was to all four or five of you, I guess—very quickly.

4:05 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Justice

Donna Miller

Thank you.

In order to answer that question, I need to refer back to my remarks about how in the justice department we have very much an integrated GBA, so it's not part of one particular section of our department. It's not possible to really answer the honourable member's question directly, because GBA is part and parcel of everyone's role in the Department of Justice.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Is that the same for all departments in terms of the integrated process?

4:05 p.m.

A voice

Yes.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Okay. What about the requirements from the Department of Finance at budget time? When your various departments put forward budget proposals, do you need to have done your analysis before it goes into the budget process to the Department of Finance?

4:05 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Janet Siddall

Certainly for CIC, yes, because it's also part of our legislated requirement. It doesn't get out the door unless it has had the gender-based analysis.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Does anyone else wish to comment? Just nod yes or no so I can move on.

4:05 p.m.

Senior Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Human Resources and Social Development

Kathy O'Hara

As I said in my comments, we do it for every policy we work on.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Okay.

4:05 p.m.

Associate Secretary, Treasury Board Secretariat

Linda Lizotte-MacPherson

That would be the same for us as well in all of our management policies. It's an integrated part of it. Similarly, on the training side, it's now integrated into our annual training process, so we don't have a separate budget. It's integrated with training as well.