Evidence of meeting #49 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Grégoire  Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Louis Ranger  Deputy Minister, Department of Transport
André Morency  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Services, Department of Transport

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

I think you're confusing a certain number of things, Mr. Volpe. First of all, my predecessor, Mr. Lapierre, did not have an action plan that was available. I just asked my deputy minister that question and that's not the case. So there wasn't something, the day that I came in and was sworn in, that I could come in with in front of this committee and say, “Here's the plan, gentleman, let's go forward.” That wasn't the case.

On the issue of the safety audit and the notices that we put forward, we did in effect do that. We went back and checked a certain number of issues in the summer of last year. We then indicated to the authorities of CN that we wanted them to abide by these enforcement measures that we were putting forward. There was some discussion. They refused. They didn't want to do it. We literally, and I'm being quite transparent here, said, “Well, if this is not the case, we're going to bring you to court on this issue.” They then indicated that negotiations and discussions were to take place. They took place, and then they slowly complied with it.

But this having been said, Mr. Volpe, at the end of the day, I did not have any intent or any idea on my part to cover this up. CN indeed had indicated to us that they didn't want this information to be made public, and we were obliged to follow what the law requires of us. Then, further and pursuant to that, they said, “Okay, fine, we'll make that information public.”

That's my version. That's the version my officials had, and that, as far as I'm concerned, is what the truth is here on this issue.

5:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Laframboise.

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Earlier, Mr. Minister, you said that something that is too strong will not break, but we should not dodge the issue.

I have a specific question about inspectors. I have always maintained my position in their regard. I am very interested in check pilots, who have been trained and who can never visit an aircraft and who cannot verify whether the pilots are competent and capable of checking the aircraft. I am interested in them.

At the outset, I was given a list of the check pilot positions that had been filled. Mr. Grégoire, are the 873 positions on my list meant for 873 check pilots? If not, when will you give me the list of check pilots for the years 1992 to 2006 and 2007?

I am interested in check pilots because these people can never go on the ground to visit an aircraft and see whether it is in good condition. I am interested in them. Does my list represent 873 check pilots?

5:15 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

Marc Grégoire

No, not at all, this is only a part of their group. I did not understand that you wanted the entire list of pilots. You spoke to me several times about budgets for training pilots, about the number of hours of flight for pilots, but never did you mention the number of CAIs as such.

There has been no decrease. On the contrary there has been a proportional increase, and I could send you the figures that deal solely with civil aviation inspectors, that we call CAI's because of their participation in the collective agreement.

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Very well. I would like you to give me the list. Will you send it to me?

5:15 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport

5:15 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Very well, there is no problem.

On the other hand, let's come back to vote No. 10. In 2006-2007, $300,000 was set aside for rehabilitating the Quebec bridge. Not a penny is left. Is this the same Quebec bridge that Mr. Jean mentioned earlier?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

The deputy minister tells me that the funds are there.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Now, they have disappeared. How can you make $300,000 disappear just like that! I find it hard to believe—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

Did you mention $300,000?

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

There was a sum of $300,000.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

The deputy minister will find it.

5:20 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Louis Ranger

I thought that you were talking about another sum.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

We will find it, Mr. Laframboise.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Is there money in the current budget to carry out maintenance work on the Quebec bridge?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

Money was set aside in budget 2006.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Yes, money was set aside.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

Indeed.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

But it is nowhere to be found in budget 2007.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

It is still there.

5:20 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Louis Ranger

We are talking about $300,000.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Lawrence Cannon Conservative Pontiac, QC

Yes, we are looking for a $300,000 entry.

5:20 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Louis Ranger

It was probably for maintenance work required last year.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

You are not providing any more funding this year. Now that the matter is before the courts, you have decided not to spend another cent on it.

5:20 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Transport

Louis Ranger

I will have to get back to you on this. As you can appreciate, with a $1.9 billion budget—