House of Commons Hansard #33 of the 35th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was budget.

Topics

Canada Pension PlanOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Reform

John Williams Reform St. Albert, AB

Mr. Speaker, every time their policies are completely indefensible, the Liberals turn around and attack Reform.

The only member of this House on the commission, who happens to be a Liberal member, is on record as saying that Canada pension plan premiums will have to be doubled to maintain the CPP. I think it is the government's intention to lead the citizens of Canada up the garden path and into the rose garden before the election and leave them in the stinkweed after the election, just like it did with the GST.

I would like the Minister of Finance to confirm that we are talking massive changes to the premiums or massive cuts to CPP benefits.

Canada Pension PlanOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

LaSalle—Émard Québec

Liberal

Paul Martin LiberalMinister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, the chief actuary has already stated that because previous governments going back a decade did not take proper action on the CPP, by the year 2030 if nothing is done, the premiums might well have to rise to 14 per cent or 15 per cent. It is precisely to avoid that tremendous burden which would be placed on payrolls that this government has taken early action. While there will be an increase in such premiums, it will not be of the kind projected by the chief actuary.

On the earlier point, I apologize to the hon. member for comparing our policies to his, but every time we do it we look so good it is very hard to resist.

TaxationOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Steckle Liberal Huron—Bruce, ON

Mr. Speaker, this week the Minister of National Revenue introduced 100 improvements to the sales tax system.

The notional sales tax as it applies to car sales has caused much confusion, problems and a real sense that it is unfair. How will the minister's sales tax changes correct this longstanding irritant to Canadian car buyers?

TaxationOral Question Period

2:55 p.m.

Brant Ontario

Liberal

Jane Stewart LiberalMinister of National Revenue

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for Huron-Bruce raised two very important points.

First, he recognizes that the government has just tabled a ways and means bill that presents to the Canadian public 100 proposals for improvements to the GST. That speaks directly to the concerns of the Canadian public.

Second, he asked specifically about the notional import tax credit, which is the way the tax has been collected on used cars. It has been so complex, so confusing, so frustrating for the Canadian public that we have changed it. From now on when a Canadian buys a new car and has a trade-in, GST will be paid on the difference only. That makes sense. It speaks directly to the

concerns of Canadians. It is proof that the government is committed to replacing the GST with a tax that is fairer to consumers.

TaxationOral Question Period

3 p.m.

NDP

Audrey McLaughlin NDP Yukon, YT

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance has said harmonization of the PST and GST in the Atlantic provinces will expand exports and create jobs. He did omit bring back the cod, but it was pretty close.

The minister will recall that during the GST debate the government of the day tabled a number of documents substantiating its claims.

Will the minister today table the studies that substantiate his contention that exports will rise as a result of harmonization and that jobs will expand?

TaxationOral Question Period

3 p.m.

LaSalle—Émard Québec

Liberal

Paul Martin LiberalMinister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, I am certainly prepared to make available to the hon. member the studies that will show what happens when one reduces the cost to business.

Jim Moore of the Canadian Exporters Association, one of the experts in the field, said: "Obviously it could [create jobs] when you are competing at a level where a 1 per cent difference on a product can make the difference between a sale and a non-sale". He is basically saying it will increase our exports.

The Canadian Federation of Independent Business and the Canadian Manufacturers Association say harmonization will enhance competitiveness for manufacturers and exporters as well as create a simpler and more efficient tax system.

The bottom line from the CMA is: "The net result of these changes will be more jobs and an overall increase in investment and business activity".

Business Of The HouseOral Question Period

April 25th, 1996 / 3 p.m.

Bloc

Suzanne Tremblay Bloc Rimouski—Témiscouata, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask my hon. colleague, the parliamentary secretary, if he would be so kind as to tell the House what the business for the coming week will be.

Business Of The HouseOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Fundy Royal New Brunswick

Liberal

Paul Zed LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, today and tomorrow we will continue debate on second reading of Bill C-31, the budget implementation bill.

Bill C-12, the employment insurance bill, will be reported from committee shortly, and by the end of next week we will commence the report stage.

Monday shall be an allotted day. Since the table requires that this be confirmed by a minister of the crown, the secretary of state for aquaculture will want to confirm this.

I shall be in touch with members opposite concerning the schedule between the allotted day and the commencement of Bill C-12.

Business Of The HouseOral Question Period

3 p.m.

Beauséjour New Brunswick

Liberal

Fernand Robichaud LiberalSecretary of State (Agriculture and Agri-Food

Mr. Speaker, I confirm that Monday shall be an allotted day.

The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-31, an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996, be read the second time and referred to a committee, and on the amendment.

Budget Implementation Act, 1996Government Orders

3 p.m.

Reform

John Williams Reform St. Albert, AB

Mr. Speaker, I quote from the speech of the Minister of Finance on March 6, 1996 to the House:

What Canadians want is action and they want to see real progress. These are the standards that Canadians have set.

Seldom in our history have so many people experienced so much anxiety. Canadians feel our very way of life is at risk.

They look at medicare and feel that it is threatened. They look at the pension system and wonder if it will be there in years to come. They consider the economy and worry that gale force winds of competition and change will carry away their jobs. Canadians think about their future, our youth, and ask what kind of opportunities will be left for them.

These are the damning words of the Minister of Finance to the House, from a government that has been in power now for two and a half years. Obviously the government does not have the answers, period.

The hon. member for Etobicoke North confirmed these issues when he talked about unemployment and said we do not have answers. He talked about the various issues of concern of Canadians and continued to repeat the government line. Unfortunately when we listen to the government line it does not have answers.

These things are important to Canadians. I quote from page 8 of the budget speech:

It is our view that chronic deficits constitute a clear and present danger to this country-to our way of life and to our future.

Chronic deficits put the disadvantaged at risk, because it is they who suffer when the financial strength of government is so weak it can no longer reach out to those in need.

Members may have noticed that in question period a few minutes ago I asked a question of the Minister of Finance to bring to the attention of all Canadians that the Canada pension plan is seriously at risk. That was acknowledged by a minister in his budget speech:

First, the CPP must be put on a sound financial footing-and done so in a way that is sustainable, affordable and fair.

In the House we saw the Deputy Prime Minister stand and say how she is committed to standing behind seniors and the Canada pension plan. We have asked questions of the Minister of Human Resources Development and he has stood up in the House and said they stand four-square behind seniors. We have heard the Minister of Finance repeat the same rhetoric.

When we look at the public accounts, page 1.16, we find the government has no liability, commitment or responsibility to pay seniors on Canada pension plan beyond the money already in the bank.

This concerns me because the government has misled Canadians on the GST with rhetoric from the Deputy Prime Minister and others which has so often been pointed out in the House: "We will scrap the GST. We will get rid of the GST". When we ask them to deliver on their commitment they picked up a thing called the red book, and I believe it is page 22 that the Prime Minister has so frequently referred to. He says it was always that they would harmonize, replace and change, and with some smoke and mirrors give us something else that will cost us more.

I am concerned for seniors because while the government said one thing before the election, it was a different thing after. While it held up the promise of improvement before the election, it hit people over the head with the continued GST and higher taxes after the election. I see the same thing looming once more for the Canada pension plan. The numbers are quite simple. The numbers are huge but they are simple.

The Liberal member who is on the tour on the Canada pension plan is on record as saying Canada pension plan contributions should double and double soon, so we will not contribute 5 per cent of our income, we will contribute 10 per cent, double. We will be paying 5 per cent more into the Canada pension plan in order to protect seniors and they way they are currently receiving Canada pension.

I do not think that it is strictly a case of increasing payments to maintain payments to seniors. I think there will be a trade-off here and we will see increased payments and at the same time there will be a decrease in benefits.

That is the point I want Canadians to be aware of while the Minister of Finance keeps using euphemisms: "We will fix the Canada pension plan. The Canada pension plan is in a little trouble. Maybe we will make a little increase in the payments and adjust the payments to the beneficiaries".

There will be a massive increase in payments. There could very well be a massive decrease in benefits. The sooner the Minister of Finance says that and gets it out in the public domain for people to decide the way they want to go the better.

I have a real fear that from now until the next election we will see these little euphemisms: "We will fix it. We need to have a little more cash in the kitty. We may have to tinker a little with the benefits".

The point is after the next election when the Liberals think they will be firmly ensconced on that side once more, they will drop a big hammer on the heads of Canadians, just as they have done on the GST where they dropped a hammer on Canadians again and said "no relief from taxation, pay the GST forever more".

We will see the same thing with the Canada pension. We will see huge increases in payments. We will see great decreases in benefits after the election, and that is my concern. I want to get Canadians thinking about these things now. I want them to think about them before the next election and ask the government what it really intends to do because these euphemisms will lead people into thinking the government has it right when the government has it wrong.

Part of the budget implementation rules and regulations being brought forward in this bill give me some cause for concern also. The bill intends to amend the Financial Administration Act, which would provide for the termination of employment in certain cases where government services are being transferred.

I do not really have a problem with the termination of employment of the civil service where we are maybe transferring programs to the private sector. It does not concern me. It happens all the time. People in the private sector change jobs all the time.

What does concern me is the way the government plays fast and loose with Canadian taxpayer money. Take a look at Nav Canada. Nav Canada is some new hybrid. The Liberals call it privatization but it is a not for profit monopoly with virtual taxation powers they have created. They have hived it off from government balance sheets and government records. They have created this new entity, Nav Canada.

I think it is unique in Canadian corporate history because I have never heard of a not for profit enterprise that has billions of dollars

in revenue. When you can go to money markets and borrow $3 billion and still call it not for profit I have a problem with that.

I also have a problem with the way the government was able to manage the transfer of employees off the rolls of the civil service and on to the Nav Canada payroll. Somehow while these people were working on Friday, they kept their job, the same desk, the same telephone number, the same pencil on Monday morning. While there may be a new name on the paycheque they get at the end of the month, somehow we said they have lost their job and they are entitled to severance pay. We gave the people in the organization $200 million in severance pay and nobody lost their job.

I scratched my head. You work on Friday, you work on Monday, same desk, same telephone number, same pencil, same job, same everything, but you got laid off? There was $200 million in taxpayer money to recognize you got laid off and it does not seem to fit.

We are now to institutionalize that or put it into legislation, saying that is the way we want to do it. That is the least of my problems with regard to this bill.

The bill goes on to say: "In addition, amendments to that act would provide for exceptions to appropriations so that the unused portion of funds appropriated by Parliament does not lapse at the end of one year".

What is this? Is it that appropriations are no longer going to lapse at the end of a year? Is that what the bill states? I thought the whole parliamentary tradition was that this House appropriated funds for a department and said: "This is the money you are going to get for one year and if it is not spent then it is not spent and if you need more for next year you come back to this House and ask for it".

The Liberals have now sneaked in some legislation which states: "the unused portion appropriated by Parliament will not lapse at the end of a year". This House is losing control of the government. The government has lost control of the management of the country. I cannot understand why we do not have a full debate on that one issue alone. However, what do we find? Closure.

This bill was introduced yesterday. We have closure today. We vote on it tomorrow and it becomes law on Monday morning.

In the bill we find the tradition of hundreds of years of Parliament having control over the government out the window without even a mention.

This government is trampling on the rights of this House. It is trampling on democracy when it thinks it is going to slip a few lines into this bill to eliminate the lapsing of funds so that it has to come back to this House every year for the money it needs to run the government.

The bill continues on: "As part of the restructuring of the public service, successor rights in the form of continued collective agreements and union representations will be introduced", and so on. The Liberals are going to legislate rather than negotiate with the unions on how they are going to handle the transfer of civil servants into the private sector. I put the private sector in quotation marks because NavCan, by no stretch of the imagination, can be considered private sector. It is a not for profit monopoly with virtual taxation powers. All the government has done is taken it off the balance sheet and off the expenditure side of the government.

No doubt the Minister of Finance is going to stand up here next year and boast about how expenditures of government have come down when all that he has done is drawn a line between the air navigation and said that it is no longer part of government and no longer part of its expenditures, even though we are still paying for it. He is also going to boast about how he is containing government expenditures. The point is that he is not. We have seen it time and time again as he manipulates the numbers and calls it a success.

The President of the Treasury Board, every quarter, brings out a booklet telling us how he has met his target of reductions in the civil service. I know that in the next quarter the President of the Treasury Board is going to stand up in this House and boast about how he has once more met his target of reducing the civil service. However, 6,500 of this reduction just moved over into NavCan. Nobody lost his or her job. This is the type of smoke and mirrors that we get from this government. This is what Canadians need to know about because I do not think they really appreciate being led down the garden path in this way.

The bill continues: "Amendments to the Public Service Superannuation Act would facilitate the portability of pension values on an individual and a group basis and provide flexibility for the extension or termination of coverage of an entity and its employees under the act".

Maybe there should be portability. I think we should have some portability of all pensions. Careers are changing rapidly and many Canadians are changing jobs more frequently. It is important that this government address the important issue of portability of pensions in the private sector.

However, it has demonstrated no desire to help people in the private sector and every desire to legislate things for its own benefit. By introducing under the Public Service Superannuation Act portability of pensions allows the government to take large chunks of the cash sitting in the public service superannuation fund and set up a pre-funded pension plan for the NavCan employees so that their pension plan can continue unabated.

Canadians out in the private sector who lose their jobs on Friday afternoon have to go out on Monday morning and find a job. After months of searching they find that there is no portability of their pension.

These are the types of social issues that the government should be dealing with rather than the smoke and mirrors of legislation to allow it to bully the unions, to bully the civil servants and create these fictitious types of situations regarding the downsizing of the government.

As I said, there is a much bigger issue concerning the pensions. I would have thought the government would have wanted to address it. It has not. The Minister of Finance has not. Everything has always been focused on what can the government do to let Canadians think it is addressing the issue when in fact it is not.

Bill C-31 was introduced yesterday. The government moved closure on it today. How are we as parliamentarians and how are Canadians able to join in a debate about the finances of this country, about the management of this country, about the way the government tries to run this country when closure is invoked after one day? On the budget the Liberals threw out one of their own because he stood up and voted against the government. Now they are not prepared to even entertain debate by anyone in this House. Otherwise we might find embarrassing problems that are buried in this legislation. That is despicable.

Budget Implementation Act, 1996Government Orders

3:20 p.m.

Bruce—Grey Ontario

Liberal

Ovid Jackson LiberalParliamentary Secretary to President of the Treasury Board

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for St. Albert is the Treasury Board critic and I thank him for his presentation.

Since I have entered this House I have been disappointed with members on all sides when they say things just for the sake of saying them without any substance. I have had many discussions with the member for St. Albert. He is a fiscal manager. I wonder how he would do some of the things that are being done at Treasury Board.

I will refer to a couple of things that the member spoke about. He spoke about appropriations. We have this form as members of Parliament. The Treasury Board brought that in awhile ago because members had a way of rushing out and spending a whole lot of money at the end of the year.

Whenever projects are started they do not begin and end at a fiscal time. We are trying to be innovative. We are trying to get government right. There is no way we are not going to have value for dollar. That is the reason that there are appropriations.

The member talked about NavCan. He said these people still have their jobs after we said we would get rid of jobs. I ask him what he would rather do. This department is so important that it is an essential service. It has to do with people coming into the country in aircraft. Even when they are problems with labour, they cannot strike because it becomes very dangerous. During strikes they have to be there in case there are emergencies. There are a lot of emergencies in the air with aircraft flying over a country with military operations and so on. So NavCan is extremely important.

It was a great negotiated policy of the government. It has been moved out of the government to an agency that is going to do a better job. The hon. member said that small business could do a good job.

He said that we brought in measures in the legislation on which we will not negotiate. I want to say to the member that we absolutely want to negotiate. However, we certainly do not want a final arbitrator which will take the monetary commitment away from this legislative body.

We are being fiscally responsible. If he were in our place he certainly would not want to bring someone in from left field to make a wage settlement which the Government of Canada would have no alternative but to accept.

Budget Implementation Act, 1996Government Orders

3:25 p.m.

Reform

John Williams Reform St. Albert, AB

Mr. Speaker, I thought we were going to hear real explanations for the problems I raised in this bill.

He started off by asking what I would do as the treasury board critic. The first thing I would not do is introduce closure on the bill the day after it was introduced. These issues need to be debated. That is what we are here for. That is what the government is stopping.

He tells us about this great and wonderful negotiated thing called NavCan. Yesterday afternoon in the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, the Auditor General of Canada, an officer of this House, expressed grave and serious reservations about the accountability of NavCan. It has been hived off into some kind of not for profit institution. It is not a crown corporation. It is some new hybrid and we do not know exactly what it is. The Auditor General of Canada, our watchdog on the finances of the country, has been shut out. He does not have the authority to look at NavCan. Neither has anybody else been given the authority to look at NavCan from an accountability point of view. If the auditor general, who is an officer of the House, is concerned, the House should be concerned.

That is the type of thing which the government is pushing through without any debate. That is why I am concerned.

NavCan is a disgrace of management. I am not talking about the employees. Unfortunately they are pawns. They were not even given a say. The government stood up one day and made an announcement that it was going to hive NavCan off and make it a not for profit agency. It is a billion dollar not for profit agency. The government turned around and told NavCan: "Go out to the open market, borrow $3 billion and give the government $1.5 billion to buy these assets". Then the Minister of Finance can say: "Look

how the deficit is coming down. I have another $1.5 billion in cash from NavCan".

Accountability is the word. There is no accountability in what the government is doing. It is time it realized that Canadians will not put up with it.

Budget Implementation Act, 1996Government Orders

3:25 p.m.

Pierrefonds—Dollard Québec

Liberal

Bernard Patry LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform you that I will be sharing my time with the hon. member for Carleton-Charlotte.

Mr. Speaker, the 1996 budget follows through on the government's commitment to reduce the deficit in a sustained fashion. However, we should not forget that balancing the budget must never be the sole objective.

Improving public finances should always be a means to reach the greater goal of lowering interest rates, creating jobs and ensuring Canada's prosperity and future. It must also allow us to continue to work on other priorities and issues which are dear to Canadians.

It goes without saying that one of the top priorities is to maintain Canada's social program network. These programs have made Canada one of the most envied countries in the world. To reach that goal, as the Prime Minister promised, we must propose a long term funding framework for health services and social programs that will grow, while also being stable, predictable and sustainable. To that end, the 1996 budget provides for the setting up, over a period of five years, of a funding framework for the Canada health and social transfer.

This transfer, which was introduced in the 1995 budget, is the most important federal initiative to provide financial assistance to the provinces regarding health care, post-secondary education and social assistance.

Under the Canada health and social transfer, provinces enjoy increased flexibility in designing and managing their own programs, while medicare and other social measures are being preserved.

Since these transfers to the provinces represent a sizeable proportion of total federal spending, we cannot improve public finances without reducing them, as we did in the case of all other expenditure items. This is why funding will be reduced in 1996-97 and in 1997-98.

Following consultations with the provinces, the 1996 budget now expands the scope of the Canada health and social transfer, which will not undergo additional cuts. We have established a five year funding mechanism under which transfers will increase and the cash portion will be stabilized, to eventually increase over the years.

It is important to note that federal equalization payments to the poorest provinces, which also help fund social programs, will keep on increasing. The new mechanism is based on four fundamental principles: maintaining health care and social programs; re-establishing the increase in transfer payments and stabilizing the cash portion; guaranteeing stable and foreseeable funding to the provinces; providing the provinces with more comparable funding.

Our action plan takes these principles into account. Allow me to review its main proposed elements. The funding level for the CHST announced last year for 1996-97 and 1997-98 will remain stable, which means that appropriations will amount to $25.1 billion in 1997-98 and will be made up of tax points and cash in roughly equal proportion.

The 1996 budget provides for five year legislated funding of the CHST over fiscals 1998-99 to 2002-03.

During the first two years of the implementation of the new mechanism, appropriations will remain at $25.1 billion. Since the provinces' tax points will increase, the cash portion paid by the federal government will decrease somewhat. However, total funding, cash and tax points combined, will remain stable. It is obvious that as a result of the CHST, global entitlements will never diminish. Funding will not be cut.

In fact, during the three last years of this framework, total transfer entitlements will grow each and every year at an increasing rate, according to a formula tied to economic growth. This means that, by the end of the five-year period, overall CHST entitlements should exceed those of 1997-98 by $2.3 billion. For the first time since the reduction plan was initiated in the mid-1980s, a federal government will be taking steps to make these transfers grow faster.

Moreover, under this framework, the cash portion of the CHST is guaranteed never to fall below $11 billion. In fact, by the end of the five-year period, it should begin to grow. For greater safety, the cash floor within the transfer will be guaranteed by legislation to make absolutely sure that cash transfers will never be under $11 billion during this time frame.

The budget also provides for a new allocation scheme reducing disparities caused for a large part by the ceiling imposed by the Conservatives to tranfers to three provinces under the Canada assistance plan.

Finally, the new allocation scheme will be implemented gradually over five years. In theory, each province's entitlement will be adjusted periodically based on its share of the CHST and its relative demographic weight within the country. By the year 2002-03, any disparity in per capita financing will have been reduced by half.

Of course, this is a compromise solution and no single allocation scheme will satisfy all the provinces. We believe however that this is a reasonable compromise and that the five-year phasing in of the

new allocation scheme will give provinces a chance to adjust and to plan with greater certainty.

To conclude, budget proposals regarding the CHST clearly show that the federal government is doing its share to ensure the future of the Canadian health system and social security net and to build a renewed social and economic union. The provinces will continue to decide how they want to allocate federal transfers between these priorities.

Finally, the government is taking steps to ensure that social programs remain within the financial capability of the nation and meet the needs of Canadians in the future.

Budget Implementation Act, 1996Government Orders

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Harold Culbert Liberal Carleton—Charlotte, NB

Mr. Speaker, the 1996 budget has and continues to meet the government's commitment to sustain deficit reduction on the way to a future balanced budget, but a balanced budget alone must never be the only goal of our wonderful country, Canada.

Our government is fundamentally responsible for setting a stage, one which provides a model for the Canadian people. Our government is here to establish a neutral framework within which all Canadians can work and prosper. This framework is represented by the 1996 budget in its current implementation. There is no question it is difficult to establish a framework which is fair, equal, democratic and neutral and which at the same time ensures that all Canadians will see the framework in the same light.

Our government has successfully created a plan which will encompass job creation and progressive changes to old age security, to Canada student loans and the Canada health and social transfer. Today I will focus on the CHST and the progressive changes it marks for Canadians, demonstrating the fundamental responsibility of this government to establish a fair and equitable framework for all Canadians to grow, to prosper and to work together.

Fiscal progress should always be a means to greater public ends, to lower interest rates, to more jobs and to a more prosperous and secure future for Canada. Canadians must be allowed to move forward on issues that are important to them instead of being held back by fundamental requirements needed to maintain the basic standard of living. Canadians want to be successful both on the domestic home front and the international stage.

In order to establish this level of financial success while maintaining public prosperity, it is necessary to follow the established plans for economic recovery. Those plans are included in the 1994, 1995 and 1996 budgets. They are tailored to result in the domestic comfort and confidence levels necessary to build a foundation for continued export and international growth.

Clearly, one of the highest priorities for the Canadian government, needed to fulfil domestic prosperity, is to preserve Canada's network of social programs. These programs have helped to establish Canada as one of the most envied nations in the world. To ensure their continued success, the Prime Minister has promised to provide for health and social programs long term funding arrangements that are growing, stable, predictable and sustainable. The 1996 budget advances this promise in a new five year arrangement for the CHST.

This arrangement dictates that there will be no cuts in entitlements to the provinces. In fact, the entitlements will increase in a few years. The CHST will be stabilized at the 1998-99 levels for another two years and then will begin to grow. There will be no cuts in the CHST beyond those announced in last year's budget. By providing predictable funding, the government is demonstrating its commitment to safeguarding health care and other social programs.

When the CHST begins to grow in 2000-01, federal transfers will then increase for the first time since the mid-1980s. Over the years 1998-99 to 2002-03 the federal government will transfer nearly $130 billion to the provinces.

We established the CHST in last year's budget to fund health, post-secondary education and social assistance. It is true that we cut the transfer payments in that budget. Overall transfers to the provinces were cut by an average of 4.4 per cent in 1996-97. That was much lower however than the average of 7.3 per cent in cuts we made to our own federal programs. We had no choice but to cut transfers after inheriting a huge deficit and debt from the previous administration.

Cash transfers alone represented well over 20 per cent of all federal program spending. They had to be included in our deficit reduction plan. At the same time, we have given the provinces the increased flexibility they were asking for in order to design programs that meet their own needs. It is important to note that the federal equalization payments to less affluent provinces which also support social programs will continue to grow.

It is also important to note the four key objectives of the CHST arrangement: to safeguard medicare and social programs; to return to growth in transfers and stabilize the cash component of the transfers; to restore stability and predictability for provincial governments; and to provide the provinces with a more comparable funding support program.

Transfers to the provinces make up nearly one-quarter of federal program spending. In no way could the CHST be exempt from expenditure restraint. Over all, reductions will amount to less than

3 per cent of provincial revenues. The provinces will be able to absorb the impact as most have or are near balanced budgets.

New Brunswick for example is a province strong and successful in its financial position, with the riding of Carleton-Charlotte contributing significantly to the overall success prevalent in New Brunswick. My riding of Carleton-Charlotte is vast in geography, rural in nature but extremely industrially progressive.

Carleton-Charlotte is a riding which stood tall during the tough economic times that were witnessed in recent years. It has managed not only to maintain its industry but has also managed to expand in many areas. There are also many successful industries in Carleton-Charlotte and I would not attempt to start naming them. However, I do believe this riding certainly deserves to be commended on a job well done.

Carleton-Charlotte is a community, a riding that could easily provide a framework model for the success that can be achieved by people when they work together to maintain domestic stability and then expand outward. This domestic stability, providing a foundation for international recognition and expansion is what all Canadians can work toward together as one large community.

The model or framework the 1996 budget presents is simply a larger model of what has been accomplished in Carleton-Charlotte and exemplifies the role of what a government should aim to accomplish.

This government has not placed exploitation or suppression in the hierarchy. Instead it has supplied Canadians with a neutral model to expand and prosper.

I commend this government for maintaining its focus on domestic prosperity and for providing a greater means to public ends through the new and revised plan for the Canada health and social transfer and through the confidence that has been building in Carleton-Charlotte and across Canada. This confidence has resulted from this budget and the past two budgets of this government in addition to the measures taken to get our financial House in order for the first time in many, many years.

This is why I am pleased and proud today to support Bill C-31, the budget implementation act, 1996.

Budget Implementation Act, 1996Government Orders

3:45 p.m.

Reform

Myron Thompson Reform Wild Rose, AB

Mr. Speaker, the rhetoric goes on and on about all the confidence Canadians have. I have been doing a lot of travelling around Canada in the last few months. I wish I could assure everyone that the confidence is there but it is not.

One of the reasons it is not there is that there is one thing which never seems to be mentioned on that side of the House: the huge debt and the interest costs in servicing that debt. It is pretty obvious to everyone that is the biggest threat to our social programs and the future of our country. It rests totally in what we are going to do about that huge debt as it grows and grows and grows.

I have listened to the finance minister and he does not talk about it. I have listened to the Prime Minister and he does not talk about it. All the speeches I have heard from that side of the House never talk about what Canadians perceive to be a very major problem: the huge growing debt and the interest payments to service that debt which have now become the largest expense the government has.

Why does the hon. member not address the debt and the interest on it? What are we going to do about that? Why have none of his colleagues addressed this? Have they been ordered not to talk about it? Why do they not bring it into their speeches? Is that why there is closure after only one day? Is it so no one else will have the opportunity to mention this country's major problem?

I would like somebody on that side of the House to explain to me when a deficit figure goes down at one rate and an interest figure goes up at another rate, just exactly who are they trying to fool when they talk about all the savings they are bringing in and that they are going to meet their targets and all the problems are going to be solved? I think they are leading Canadians astray and I wish somebody would address the debt and the interest that is growing daily and what they are going to do about it. The only thing I can suggest is a zero budget and I have not heard anything about that.

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3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Harold Culbert Liberal Carleton—Charlotte, NB

Mr. Speaker, first of all I thank my hon. colleague from Wild Rose for his comments and his questions. We will certainly try to do our best to answer them.

When this government assumed power it inherited a $500 billion plus debt, a $42 billion deficit and a $6 billion deficit in the unemployment insurance fund. It was extremely difficult but this government took its responsibility and it set goals. It set goals that created a challenge, goals that were achievable even though they were challenging. We are meeting those goals. For the first time in many, many years in this country goals are being met.

The hon. member mentioned confidence. Yes, confidence. That confidence encouraged the new company CANUSA two weeks ago to make an official announcement in Centreville, New Brunswick in my riding that it was developing and constructing a new plant. It will create 25 new jobs directly, indirectly a number during construction, and more indirectly in transportation and other areas.

It is the same confidence that encouraged McCain Foods two weeks ago to announce doubling the size of its data processing department in Florenceville, New Brunswick in my riding. Between 30 and 50 new jobs will be there for the people of my area.

Sabian cymbals in Meductic, New Brunswick again in my riding moved across the road a couple of weeks ago to its new expanded modern technological plant, with an additional 12 to 15 new jobs created as a result.

Briggs and Little woollen mills of York Mills in my constituency suffered a terrible fire in the fall of 1994 and has recently reconstructed its plant. Without confidence would these business people have made these decisions? I think not. They are confident. They will continue to be confident which will boost our economy and create future jobs.

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3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Roger Pomerleau Bloc Anjou—Rivière-Des-Prairies, QC

Mr. Speaker, I am extremely pleased to rise today to speak to Bill C-31, an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996.

It is always interesting to criticize the budget tabled by the government and especially by the Minister of Finance. Even more so in the case of this year's budget, which shows how easy it is to mislead the public on the government's real intentions. My colleagues and myself have said it many times: this year's budget is essentially cosmetic. Under the make-up, however, one can see things for what they really are.

Bill C-31 is the opportunity the government was waiting for so it could sneak through a series of unpopular, highly controversial measures. I will get back to the public's reaction later.

A few weeks ago, the Minister of Finance brought down a budget without any concrete measures, a budget designed to sweeten the pill so that people will be more receptive to the reform of social programs. But it is the measures proposed in Bill C-31 that will have a real budget impact.

Through this bill, the government wants to implement, among other things, the so-called GST reform-to which I will also get back-and to sneak through UI measures that were originally supposed to be part of Bill C-12 now in committee.

Among other things, Bill C-31 allows the government to go ahead with the transfer of public service employees to the private sector as part of the restructuring of the public service and the privatization of certain services and to dispose of railway equipment. In this regard, I noticed a little something in the report that I would like to quote:

Part II would grant the Minister of Transport the power to dispose of government-owned railway cars, or rights with respect to the railway cars, that are used for the purpose of moving grain. It would also provide for an increase in the maximum rates for movements of grain after at least 10,000 of the railway cars or rights with respect to at least 10,000 of the railway cars are disposed of.

What this means is that they will dispose of at least 10,000 railway cars. In the last few months, the government has been selling off ports, airports, railway lines, bridges and railway cars; everything is up for sale.

Bill C-31 also makes minor amendments to the old age pension as provided for in the budget. These are not key elements of the reform, but simply measures affecting access to the old age pension for recent immigrants.

Bill C-31 implements the reform of Canada social transfer. It also proposes amendments to make transition easier. I am confident that many of my colleagues will elaborate on this in their speeches on Bill C-31.

The bill also includes measures seeking to give more flexibility to the Minister of Industry regarding the issuance of spectrum licences, that is specified radio frequencies within a defined geographic area. These measures do give more flexibility to the minister, but this is nothing new. Since we got here, all the bills introduced in this House seek to do the same. What we see here, as in all the bills, is an increasing tendency to centralize power in Ottawa.

So, the minister will have more flexibility and will be able to use regulations, instead of having to introduce legislation. The minister will be able to issue licences through a bidding process, which is tantamount to an auction.

Bill C-31 also includes an amendment to the Canada Student Loans Act, as well as a provision allowing the government to spend $960 million to compensate the maritime provinces regarding the GST reform. Let me just read the last clause of Bill C-31, that is clause 64, on page 55:

From and out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund there may be paid and applied a sum not exceeding nine hundred and sixty-one million dollars for payments to provinces as adjustment assistance for the purpose of facilitating their participation in an integrated value added tax system.

I read this clause to show that a few lines in an act can have enormous consequences. This is why I always tell people to read the Canadian Constitution. We are always told that it is of little value to certain people. But the fact is that a few lines in an act can involve the spending of millions of dollars.

I also want to point out something strange. Bill C-31 includes two things that are also found in Bill C-12, which we are currently reviewing in committee. Part III of the bill amends the Unemployment Insurance Act by retroactively reducing maximum weekly benefits from $445 down to $413. This bill will retroactively affect the unemployment insurance program, as of January 1, 1996, which means that people will retroactively be entitled to less benefits.

In this same Part III of the bill, the maximum weekly insurable earnings are $750 a week, or $39,000 a year, retroactive to January 1. Unemployment insurance premiums will therefore have to be

paid up to this limit. This provision is found in both C-31 and C-12. This is something worth noting.

Why is the government trying to include the same provision in both bills? In fact, there is no escaping that it is because it wants to have this bill passed as quickly as possible. We saw with two motions that were presented here today in the House that a gag has been put on what is being done on C-12 in committee, and also that time allocation has been brought in with respect to C-31.

Of course, we will do a thorough study of the unemployment insurance amendments in committee and in the House. For the time being, I would like to recall the basic positions of the Bloc Quebecois with regard to unemployment insurance.

First of all, this bill must be withdrawn, and that is what we are trying to do in committee. It seems that the minister is completely exasperated with the Bloc's position. I would like to remind the House that, when the bill introducing the GST was tabled, when the Conservatives were in power, the present minister tabled 68 amendments. That was on April 3, 1990, not so long ago. Sixty-eight amendments, and each of these amendments was to abolish a clause in the bill proposing the creation of the GST.

For example, Motion No. 1 of the present minister of Human Resources Development on April 3, 1990 read: "That Bill C-62-the one introducing the GST-be amended by deleting clause 1".

His second motion was "that Bill C-62 be modified by deleting clause 2". In all, there were 68 motions to abolish all of the clauses of the GST bill. Yet today we are accused of wanting to study each of the motions of the bill currently in committee properly, and our time to do so is being restricted.

The proposed reform is inequitable, for the conditions for eligibility have been made tougher. There will be two classes of unemployed, regular and frequent users. Third, the reform is regressive, because there is only one contribution rate and the insurable earnings limit is dropped to $39,000. Fourth, the reform is does not promote job creation, for the new contribution structure encourages capital intensive industries over labour intensive ones.

It is understandable that, generally, small and medium size businesses have described the introduction of these measures as a direct attack on them, for unemployment insurance contributions will now be payable from the first dollar earned. Before, the deductions did not kick in right away, and also the ceiling was much higher, at $42,000, which brought in those with much higher earnings. Now the ceilings are being dropped again, and contributions will be required from the first dollar earned, which means that small and medium businesses size will be the direct target, while big businesses, with their high capital, will be getting allthe perks.

Although these are called pro-employment measures-the act refers to employment rather than unemployment-we know very well that, at the very time that companies are making the most profits they are also making the most cuts. Numerous examples of layoffs have been reported lately, and I shall list but a few. There are some thirty in all, but I shall give five or six.

General Motors of Canada declared record profits of $1.39 billion, yet recently it got rid of 2,500 workers. The five biggest banks in Canada had a combined profit of $4.9 billion, but cut 2,800 staff positions. In 1995, Bell Canada made $502 million in profits, but reduced its staff by 3,2000 in that same year. I could continue, for there are about fifteen cases in all. It has long been proven that, when major employers are given advantages to create jobs, they create no jobs at all. This reform benefits primarily the large corporations and not the small and medium businesses, which create the jobs in both Quebec and the rest of Canada.

We oppose this bill, as well, because the $5 billion surplus in the unemployment insurance fund, a surplus that belongs, not to the Government of Canada, but to the workers and employers who contributed to it, will be used to artificially reduce the debt, which amounts to a general garnishment of wages.

This document also contains everything on the reform of the GST. I think there will be a lot of discussion about this in the days to come. Yesterday morning, the Minister of Finance presented his reform of the GST. After promising to abolish the goods and services tax, the Liberal government negotiated an agreement with three maritime provinces: Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Under this agreement, it will combine the provincial sales taxes and the GST into a single national tax. This national tax will be at the rate of 15 per cent.

Everyone knows that taxation is higher in the maritime provinces than it is elsewhere. Added together, the provincial tax and the GST amounted to more than 15 per cent in these provinces. It is therefore not surprising that they reached an agreement with the federal government. It is to their advantage to do so. They will come out ahead on the deal in the short term, as the federal government is prepared to make up the shortfall of these provinces from the taxes paid by Quebecers and Canadians by agreeing to pay out nearly $1 billion in compensation.

Contrary to anything the government might say and to what the member for Pontiac-Gatineau-Labelle said yesterday, the Government of Quebec never approved the new national tax before us today. What the government said, and I want to make this point, is that it is responsible for its provincial tax and that Quebec may

therefore be more competitive than the other provinces. That is what was said.

Does the federal government really think that the people of a province like Alberta, where there is no provincial tax, will accept such an agreement with it and does it think that the people of Alberta, Quebec and all the other provinces that have not concluded an agreement with it will want to pay for the provinces that have?

This manoeuvre on the part of the federal government not only makes Quebec and Canadian taxpayers unduly pay for something they never asked for, but is a deliberate offensive that will eventually permit Ottawa to take over the collection of all taxes across Canada. During the last election campaign, Liberals, including the Deputy Prime Minister of Canada and the Prime Minister himself, hung their case on the elimination of the GST, and got elected on the promise they would get rid of the GST; and now we have the government proposing a reform which is without any doubt the most blatant breach of an electoral promise in the whole parliamentary history of Canada.

Reactions in today's papers, especially in the English press, bear witness to this fact; nearly all of them point out that the government, in this matter, is reneging on its election promises. No matter what is written in the Liberal red book, what is at stake is the government members' word; the government did promise it would scrap the GST.

Under the law, there is exchange of consent when an individual signifies expressly or tacitly his or her acceptance of the offer made by another party. People signified they wanted the GST scrapped. The Liberals expressly promised to scrap the GST. Perhaps they would like to see videotapes of the statements they made during their first election campaign; if need be, we can show them to them.

Any proposal including all the elements pertaining to the proposed contract and indicating that it becomes binding on its author should it be accepted is a contract offer. The Liberals made a contract offer, they offered to scrap the GST should they be elected. People believed their promise and accepted their proposal. The government made a formal contract offer, an offer which was binding but which it did not honour.

The law also says that a contract is arrived at when the offeror-in this case the Liberals who offered, even promised, to scrap the GST-receives acceptance, no matter the form. The Liberals offered to scrap the GST, and people accepted to elect them as the government. A contract was arrived at and all the conditions for its validity were met.

Two things happen whenever one of the parties fails to abide by a contract: first, that party is sued for breach of contract with damages; second, it is no longer trusted by the other party, having misled it and caused it considerable damage. Well, the people will remember in the next election that they cannot trust the Liberals.

We have three examples. Among other things, the Liberals promised to tear up the free trade agreement. That promise was quoted many times by Jeffrey Simpson, I believe. They promised to tear up the free trade agreement but, as we know, it slipped through with the greatest of ease. They promised to kill the GST but, as we know, they are now reinforcing it, even spending close to $1 billion to convince some provinces to jump on the harmonization bandwagon. They promised to recognize Quebec as a distinct society and we now have a principal homeland of something or other. All those promises have been abandoned.

As we heard on the news this week, my Liberal colleague-I have just learned that he will be my deskmate in this House and I am looking forward to it-the hon. member for York South-Weston, who resigned from his caucus, has acted with great integrity and earned the respect of the people in his riding, who strongly supported his decision.

The fact that a member of the government has resigned because he has lost confidence in his own government speaks volumes. It must be said that the government does not write down what it says or do what it promises in writing. It is important to remember this. I just want to quickly go over the commitments made at the time, which were recently quoted in the Globe and Mail . Here is what the Deputy Prime Minister was quoted as saying in the March 11, 1996 edition of the Globe and Mail :

"I have already said personally and very directly that if the GST is not abolished, I will resign".

To this day, there have been no resignations.

Here is another promise as reported by the Globe and Mail . This time it is the Prime Minister speaking: ``We will scrap the GST''. There is no reference to harmonizing or to the red book. The message was very clear.

The Prime Minister also said, on May 2, 1994: "We hate this tax and we will make it disappear". For once he said exactly the same thing in French and in English.

It is also important to remember what the hon. member for York South-Weston said in his letter to the Prime Minister:

"The Liberals were in breach of their electoral commitment. We all know that we did not promise to simply harmonize the GST. The promise was to scrap it and implement a fairer system".

This is not what was done and this is why the hon. member for York South-Weston resigned, as did to the hon. member for Broadview-Greenwood.

There are at least two people in this House, on the Liberal side, who have some backbone and who remember the promises they made. How many Liberals went from door-to-door during the election campaign, as we all did, and promised people that they would indeed abolish the GST, not harmonize it?

Those who did that should remember that they made commitments, and they should seriously think about the calibre of people such as the hon. member for York South-Weston and the hon. member for Broadview-Greenwood.

The Minister of Finance now admits he made a mistake: "We made promises which we failed to keep". As for the Prime Minister, he says: "We fulfilled our promises". There is an obvious discrepancy between the words of the Prime Minister and those of the finance minister.

I will conclude by quoting from a short text written by Jeffrey Simpson, who relates what is going on in an article entitled:

"The height of political gall lies behind a veil of crocodile tears".

This is truly extraordinary. In this article, Mr. Simpson tells us, in reference to the Minister of Finance, that:

"During the election campaign we were right to criticize the GST". Among its problems, he recalled, were overlap and duplication. That is what the Liberals were campaigning against in 1993.

And then, Mr. Simpson asks:

Is that what you heard from your friendly Liberal candidate in the election? Did "scrap the tax" mean "end overlap and duplication"? Did "abolish" mean kaput for "overlap and duplication"? We all obviously misunderstood.

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4:10 p.m.

Pierrefonds—Dollard Québec

Liberal

Bernard Patry LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Mr. Speaker, I have a comment and a question for the hon. member for Anjou-Rivière-des-Prairies.

My comments concerns the GST. As the hon. member indicated, the GST has been harmonized in Quebec; the federal government and the Quebec government had agreed to phase in harmonization over a six-year period. What the member did not tell this House however it that Quebec would not have qualified for adjustment assistance since revenues resulting from harmonization alone have increased in Quebec. Harmonization has generated additional revenue for Quebec, while Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia do not qualify.

We will recall that the premier of Quebec, the hon. Lucien Bouchard, was a member of the cabinet that instituted the GST and that he was the one who advocated harmonizing Quebec's sales tax without any financial compensation.

It is also important to note that the federal government is still paying Quebec for administering the tax on its behalf. In recent years, payments averaging $100 million a year were made. Also, Quebec like the other provinces regularly receives adjustment assistance from Ottawa, including stabilization payments, supply management envelopes and regional development funding. In many cases, Quebec receives much more than the other provinces.

My question is as follows. In his remarks, the hon. member for Anjou-Rivière-des-Prairies mentioned Bill C-12, which he described as regressive legislation. He used the word regressive. I would like to know if it is regressive to move from a system based on the number of weeks worked to one based on the number of worked hours in a bill on employment. Let me explain. Who works 15 hours or less in Quebec and Canada? The most disadvantaged members of our society, those who cannot find permanent employment, generally women. Under the old system, people could hold two jobs and work 30 or 40 hours per week during 30 years without ever qualifying for employment benefits.

If the hon. member could give me an answer, I would like to know if legislation that gives 500,000 workers, including 125,000 in Quebec alone, access to employment insurance can be called regressive.

I would also like to know if raising employment benefits by 18 per cent for every family household in Quebec and Canada earning less than $26,000 and helping the most disadvantaged members of our society can be called restrictive or regressive measures?

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4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Roger Pomerleau Bloc Anjou—Rivière-Des-Prairies, QC

Mr. Speaker, if the bill as it stands did what my colleague claims, I would be in agreement with him. But the facts

are otherwise. One could ask oneself whether he has really understood the proposed reform. Whether the thousands of people now protesting in Quebec, especially seasonal workers, and those adding their voices from the Atlantic provinces and Acadia, have all not understood what my colleague seems to have understood.

What is happening now is that those who work will have to contribute right from the first hour, but when it is time to draw benefits, they will have to have worked a certain number of hours to be eligible. I think that it was the Canadian Labour Congress-I will find the article for my hon. colleague-that recently did an exhaustive study of this question. It claimed that two thirds of Canadian workers-it did not look at Quebec, just Canada-two thirds of Canadian workers would not be eligible for unemployment insurance benefits as the bill now stands.

In fact, and that should give everyone an idea right away, there was a $5 billion surplus in this fund and it is being used to balance the government's books, when that amount does not belong to the government at all. It belongs to the workers and those who have contributed to it. This practically amounts to garnisheeing everybody's wages.

We will see if my colleague is right, to what extent people are happy over the coming months when the implementation of this reform begins to make itself felt. I am certain that he will be surprised to see the outcry of protests and the people appearing in his office to complain.

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4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Nic Leblanc Bloc Longueuil, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague, the hon. member for Saint-Léonard-Anjou, has referred to credibility. At the present time we have a flagrant example, which casts doubt on the credibility of our institutions. When political parties are going after votes, making promises, and referring to a program, but then do a complete about face as soon as they are elected, it seems to me that this is unacceptable.

This is also why MPs lack credibility in the eyes of the public at this time. The latest polls indicate that MPs have about 15 per cent of public credibility. In my opinion, this is the main reason for the lack of trust in MPs: they do exactly what the Liberals did during the last campaign. They do exactly what the Liberals did during the implementation of the GST, which was proposed and implemented by their Conservative predecessors.

Then they did everything in their power, they set up strategies, they went at it hammer and tongs, scaring the public. For example, the hon. member for Glengarry-Prescott-Russell said on December 15, 1990 that the GST represented fear and suffering. People will say anything to attract votes. Today, we are in the process of accepting what is more or less the original Conservative plan.

What I mean by that is that the public has had it with MPs who say one thing one day and a do completely different thing the next. So this is my question for my colleague. Does he believe that what the Liberals are doing at this time, and what they did during the last campaign, will add to or take away from MPs' credibility?

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4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Roger Pomerleau Bloc Anjou—Rivière-Des-Prairies, QC

Mr. Speaker, I am grateful to my colleague for Longueuil for his question. I would, however, remind him that I am the member for Anjou-Rivière-des-Prairies and not for Saint-Léonard-Rivière-des-Prairies.

My colleague noted that, quite recently, polls were giving us 15 per cent credibility. I think, in the past week, we must have dropped to five per cent. That is a partial answer to my colleague's question.

In fact, the government made all sorts of commitments before its election, stentorian commitments shouted from the rooftops-especially the Prime Minister and his promise to tear up the free trade agreement. The free trade agreement is in effect today, and most of the time the government is not very successful at defending the rights of Canadians. More often than not, despite the fact that our rights have merit, we lose to the Americans.

The government and, in particular, the Prime Minister, had promised to eliminate the GST. We are in fact reinforcing it and right off we will be spending $1 billion for three provinces alone, in order to put a process of harmonization, which will never work, into effect.

We also remember that the government and the Prime Minister himself promised distinct society recognition. It will never happen. We know very well. Even the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, present here today, had promised to use every means possible to obtain this recognition. He is the same man who said a few months ago, before this promise was made, that the more Quebecers were made to suffer, the more the sovereignist option would diminish. He said that in Toronto. So here we have a member from Quebec, paid by Quebecers to defend their interests, who comes to Ottawa to make Quebec suffer. This says a mouthful about transparency.

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4:20 p.m.

Fundy Royal New Brunswick

Liberal

Paul Zed LiberalParliamentary Secretary to Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to the House leaders' meeting of earlier in the week, I believe you will find unanimous consent for the following.

I move:

Pursuant to its mandate in relation to the comprehensive review of the Young Offenders Act, phase II, and specifically, to observe how the youth justice system operates in practice, that the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, six members, four from the Liberal Party including the chair, one from the Bloc Quebecois and one from the Reform Party, be authorized to travel to Toronto, London and Windsor, Ontario, from May 5 to 10, 1996 in order to hold public hearings, visit sites, young offender facilities and programs, and meet with officials and that the necessary staff do accompany the committee.

(Motion agreed to.)

The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-31, an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996, be read the second time and referred to a committee, and of the amendment.

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4:20 p.m.

Bruce—Grey Ontario

Liberal

Ovid Jackson LiberalParliamentary Secretary to President of the Treasury Board

Mr. Speaker, I will be sharing my time with the member for Cumberland-Colchester.

It is my pleasure to speak to Bill C-31, the budget implementation bill. We recognize the impact worldwide developments have had on every Canadian over the last decade.

Globalization, financial pressures, new technologies and other factors have put real stress on Canadians. Canadians have already stated in many ways that they want a strong, dynamic government which will meet the challenge of these sweeping changes. In other words, it is time government gets it right, providing the necessary services and programs in the most effective and efficient manner possible at the most affordable cost.

The government has committed itself to four key priorities: to redefine the government's roles and responsibilities, to redirect resources to the highest national priorities, to provide Canadians with more modern and accessible quality delivery, and to achieve affordable government.

The government undertook a review of all its major federal programs and services and reassessed what the government does and how it can do it better within the available resources.

The results of this exercise are integral to the major shifts the government has undertaken in conducting its business, not just in direct service delivery to Canadians but in the internal processes and systems that support the delivery of these services.

The expenditure management system is one major initiative that all departments have implemented in the last year. This means that each department is operating in a businesslike manner and is assessing competing priorities and reallocating resources to where they are most required. Outputs are transparent, measurable and precise.

Departments are also ensuring they have stronger, more flexible administrative structures to deliver the government's programs and services to Canadians in a fiscally responsible manner.

The changes the president of the treasury board has proposed in the budget implementation bill are intended to put in place the foundation that will support the government's priorities. Allow me to go through some of the directions the government is undertaking in the bill to get government right and to respond to the needs of all Canadians.

The government has mapped out three key priorities in serving national needs: alternative service delivery, compensation and collective bargaining, and pension reform.

To provide alternative ways of delivering services to Canadians, we will introduce service entities, special operating agencies and other organizational mechanisms to support the delivery of client focused quality services. Nav Canada, for example, has been created to make it easier to deliver air traffic control services.

Similar steps will be taken for food inspection services, national parks, revenue collection and in other areas as the need arises to meet the best interests of Canadians in the most affordable manner. The government will undertake other such alternatives on a case by case basis.

The legislative amendments introduced in the budget implementation bill will now permit the government to put into place the administrative mechanisms necessary to ensure a smooth transition to alternative service delivery.

For instance, changes are proposed to the Canada Labour Code as well as the Public Service Staff Relations Act to permit the introduction of successor rights. This means unions will continue to represent their employees and collective agreements will continue to be enforced until the term of the agreement expires as affected employees move from public service employment to other employers within the federal jurisdiction.

We are also implementing amendments to ensure transitional organizations have the tools they need to operate efficiently, effectively and affordably. For example, we will amend the Financial Administration Act to allow multi-year appropriations where organizations require the flexibility to plan their operations for service delivery over more than a one year period.

However, this is an enabling clause only and Parliament retains the right to approve when and if multi-year appropriations are the best business approaches to meet the specific organizational needs.

These are the directions the government is taking to support the evolution in how it does business for the next century.

Alternative service delivery will affect public service employees currently working in these areas. As a fair and equitable employer, the government believes it must treat these employees in a fair and equitable manner. To this end, the government has embarked on a series of negotiations with bargaining agents to ensure the transitional period is as smooth as possible for employees.

Agreement was reached with most public service unions on the transfer agreements that will apply to employees affected by the creation of alternative service delivery organizations.

The amendments will also allow us to put in place fair arrangements for all employees affected by such transfers. They will permit us to implement enhanced arrangements that some unions successfully negotiated on behalf of their members. The government is committed to working with the public service unions and believes that a negotiated agreement is always the preferred option.

The second key priority area concerns compensation and collective bargaining in the public service. All collective bargaining in the public service came to a halt when the government implemented the Public Sector Compensation Act in 1991. I am certain the nation supported this radical but necessary change.

However, six years have passed since this legislation came into effect. For five of these six years, the public service employees have received no increase in their salaries, a most significant contribution by them to Canadians in achieving the government's objective of fiscal restraint.

However, a more fiscally responsible government does not mean an unfair government to its employees. We all recognize that while the government can be a catalyst for change, it is our employees who are the agents of such change. To this end I am pleased to announce that the Public Sector Compensation Act will expire as originally scheduled in February, 1997. We will be able to return to collective bargaining at that time.

The government is amending the Public Sector Compensation Act to reinstate performance pay and annual increments to those employees for whom they were suspended when the government introduced the wage freeze.

In negotiating the terms and conditions of employment for employees with unions over the next three years we will suspend binding arbitration as a dispute resolution mechanism. We cannot risk awards being made by independent arbitrators who are not accountable to Parliament for the government's fiscal responsibility to Canadians.

Binding arbitration will continue for employees of the House of Commons, the Senate, the Library of Parliament and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. Their respective legislation prohibits strikes and requires the use of binding arbitration. However, in these cases the arbitrators will be required to take into account the wage settlements that have been reached for comparable occupational groups within the public service for which the Treasury Board is the employer.

The bill would also provide authority for a 2.2 per cent wage increase for non-commissioned members of the Canadian Armed Forces. This measure will correct the disparity in wages that existed before the wage freeze between members of the armed forces and public service employees.

The final priority of legislative amendments centres around pension reforms which provide individual and group employees with greater portability and meet the standards of the Pension Benefits Standards Act. In this area the government will revise the Public Service Superannuation Act to allow for employee pensions to be protected and to be portable to other organizations. This will be the case whether the individual or group is transferred to a separate organization. Portability will be enhanced by a two-year vesting and lock-in provisions.

I will tell the House about a number of other government priorities. The government will take measures to re-engineer its many organizations to deliver more quality service while being fiscally responsible to the people of Canada.

We will modify the Financial Administration Act to make changes with respect to group insurance plans in the public service, for example, the health care plan. This will permit the government to fund and manage the group insurance plan for employees. It will also be more consistent with general insurance practices in the private sector.

I will mention a few of the many public service undertakings. The changes we are proposing, particularly in the areas of alternative service delivery, compensation and collective bargaining and pension reform will set the foundation for providing more value and quality in service delivery to Canadians. As the President of the Treasury Board said on April 24 in his introduction to this bill: "These measures will help us secure a financial future, get government right-