House of Commons Hansard #84 of the 36th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was debt.

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Budget Implementation Act, 1998Government Orders

1:45 p.m.

NDP

Yvon Godin NDP Acadie—Bathurst, NB

The best thing to do would have been to invest in institutions, so that everyone would have received the same treatment and the costs would have dropped.

Once again, I am not alone in paying attention to this bill. Young people in my region are telling me very clearly that the federal government's budget does nothing for them and they do not support it. The government should be aware that the young people attending universities represent Canada's future and give them the education they need for the future and for the economy of the future. That is what we need.

Yesterday, I was at the community college in Bathurst. The first question the students asked me was “Where are we going to find jobs? How are we going to pay our tuition fees?” They are very concerned.

The government had a responsibility, and I come back to that because it is its responsibility to lower costs for Canadian students and to do the right thing once and for all. They cannot always be thinking of themselves, their patronage appointments and the millions they are giving to Doug Young. They should look at what is going on with our young people. That is much more important.

I do not support Bill C-36. I say the government should do more important things for young people, invest where it would help them, give them a chance to go to university, to study and to enter the labour market free of debt and not obliged to declare bankruptcy. What are we giving our young people? They go to university and then they go bankrupt. What a great start to life.

Let us hope there are some Liberals who will put a bug in the ear of their minister on behalf of our young Canadians.

Budget Implementation Act, 1998Government Orders

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

René Laurin Bloc Joliette, QC

Mr. Speaker, my comments today will primarily have to do with the confidence one should have in this government, and particularly the Minister of Finance, regarding the measures included in Bill C-36.

Everything is a matter of confidence, because we are trying to figure out the government's true intention in proposing these so-called social assistance measures, particularly the millennium scholarship fund, which has a budget of $2.5 billion.

Why do I say this is a matter of confidence? Because, in my opinion, it was more important for the government and for the Minister of Finance to come up with some program or scheme that would hide any budget surplus generated during the last fiscal year.

By now, everyone knows that the government could have brought down a budget with surpluses totalling $3 billion. However, if the government had done that, it would have been forced to help those taxpayers who are paying for these budget cuts and these new programs. The government would have been forced to reduce taxes, and possibly employment insurance contributions. It would have been forced to take other measures that would have cut into its own revenues, at a time when it is building surpluses that will reach some $30 billion, or more, in the years 2000 to 2003.

I say it is a matter of confidence, because the auditor general said that by establishing the millennium scholarship fund, the Minister of Finance is including in this year's budget an expenditure that he will make in the year 2000.

In his last report, the auditor general had criticized the minister for acting like this. The issue then was the Canada Foundation for Innovation. In that case, the government had agreed to budget $800 million for a foundation that did not yet exist. That would enable the government to inflate its deficit by $800 million, which would serve its purpose since it could convince the taxpayers that the government ought to continue to make cuts at the expense of the unemployed, the poor and all those most in need.

By inflating its deficit, the government claimed it was justified in maintaining its budget restrictions. Here is what the auditor general thought of this: The 1996-97 deficit is over-estimated by $800 million. This is because an operation relating to the Canadian Foundation for Innovation was recorded as a liability, which is contrary to the accounting conventions set out by the Government of Canada in Note No. 1 of the financial statements.

This $800 million was reported as an amount owing to a body which did not exist as of March 31, 1997. The foundation had no legal existence until April 1997. What is more, the funding agreement between the Government of Canada and the foundation was not signed until July 1997. The government fiddled with the figures and made this expenditure appear a year before the fact, because this served its political ambitions.

Far from showing any remorse, the Minister of Finance had, moreover, done the same thing with the harmonization of the GST in the maritimes. The government had already earmarked $1 billion for this operation, although there were no agreements in place.

After these two experiences, there is still no remorse forthcoming from the government. After the business of the GST and the $800 million for the Canadian Foundation for Innovation, it is repeating the offence a third time by setting aside $2.5 billion for the millennium scholarship foundation. It is posting them in the books now, even though the first cheques will not be issued until the year 2000.

Why? Once again to avoid showing surpluses, which would not be in its interests because it would bring too much pressure to bear on the government. Would the same be allowed of individuals? Would an individual be allowed, for instance, to enter the expenditure of funds in this year's income tax return to avoid reporting income? Would Revenue Canada let him do this?

I challenge any Canadian to enter in 1997 expenditures which will actually be made in 1998, as the government and the Minister of Finance have done. I can tell you Revenue Canada would immediately catch it and ask him to review his financial statements.

Would a small or medium size business be allowed to do the same? Could it enter expenditures this year to avoid showing a profit at the end of 1997? No, this would no be allowed.

I challenge the Minister of Revenue to tell us whether he would allow a small or medium size business to enter this year expenditures that will not be made until next year, in order not to show a profit and, thus, avoid paying income tax on this amount. Yet, that is what the government is doing.

That is what it is doing with the millennium scholarships. Any program would have done just as well for the government; what mattered was not so much to help students as to gain visibility, to show a zero deficit in order to keep pressure at bay. That is what the main goal was.

Can we trust government that claims to want to help students but does it through a process that is secretive almost to the point of being undemocratic, a process giving people the impression it is doing them a favour when in fact it is pursuing purely political objectives? This action by the government is despicable.

Helping students was not the government's intention. In fact, even though it could now rectify the situation somewhat by giving that money back to the provinces, which would be in a better position to use it for educational purposes, the federal government has so far refused to consider this possibility.

This confidence issue will remain until the government demonstrates its willingness to be more transparent and to use accounting practices that comply with the general rules recognized by the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, and until it demonstrates that its intentions with regard to helping a particular segment of our society are not purely political but truly meet the needs of these people.

Budget Implementation Act, 1998Government Orders

1:55 p.m.

The Speaker

It being almost 2 p.m., we will now proceed to Statements by Members.

Member For Beauharnois—SalaberryStatements By Members

1:55 p.m.

Liberal

Guy St-Julien Liberal Abitibi, QC

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for Beauharnois—Salaberry is telling the whole world the truth about Canada. In fact, he seems torn between promoting the separation of Quebec and recognizing that Canada is not such a bad country.

What he said recently to an American audience left no doubt at all:

“Quebec wants out, not because Canada is a bad country, or federalism as a system cannot work”.

Coming from a member of the Bloc, such a statement deserves to be mentioned. He readily recognizes not only that Canada is not such a bad country, but also that federalism as a system works. Members of the Bloc are doing everything they can to make it go wrong, but to no avail, because the system keeps working.

Canadian federalism must be on very firm ground, since it ensures that Quebeckers can profit from a system which their government adamantly rejects. Yes, we keep working for Quebec and for Canada, despite the guided tours the hon. member for Beauharnois—Salaberry is making throughout the world.

National DefenceStatements By Members

March 31st, 1998 / 1:55 p.m.

Reform

John Duncan Reform Vancouver Island North, BC

Mr. Speaker, on Friday the Minister of National Defence announced that Canadian forces members will receive pay adjustments as a result of a comprehensive review. What the press release did not announce is that once again the Liberals can give with one hand and take away with the other.

A master corporal will see an increase on April 1 of about $100 per month gross. After taxes, EI premiums and CPP deductions, the net worth will be $53 a month.

Now we find out that national defence is increasing rents to DND personnel. This will equal for a master corporal $30 per month. The real net increase will be $23 per month. That is not enough to buy a case of beer.

Why is the military increasing rents? Why is the government treating our people in uniform in such a shabby way?

Millenium ScholarshipsStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC

Mr. Speaker, one can say that the meeting the Prime Minister and the Premier of Quebec had about the millennium scholarships was successful.

After the meeting, the Prime Minister stated again that this program that will help hundreds of students to complete their studies will complement existing programs in Quebec. Quebeckers will know where the money for their training comes from and the Premier of Quebec did not object to that principle.

Let us just hope that the Premier of Quebec will keep thinking that way throughout the negotiation process undertaken to harmonize the federal program with Quebec's priorities, so that this issue can be resolved successfully.

I urge the Government of Quebec to keep an open mind throughout these talks so that Quebec can fully benefit from this innovative project that will prepare a whole generation to meet the challenges of the next millennium.

By the way, way to go B.C.

Newfoundland And LabradorStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Gerry Byrne Liberal Humber—St. Barbe—Baie Verte, NL

Mr. Speaker, I rise today in the House of Commons to recognize a very important day in the history of Canada.

Today at one minute to midnight will mark the 49th anniversary of the momentous occasion when Newfoundland and Labrador joined Canada. I want to celebrate with the House this very special occasion.

Our province has seen its ups and downs, but through the 49 years of being a very proud member of this country we have been a full and equal participant in Confederation. Our day has come, our year has come and our century has come.

Newfoundland and Labrador will be joining the rest of the country in economic prosperity. We will be exceeding the country. Our GDP, our standard of living, will be raised in my opinion because of Confederation.

ImmigrationStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Brent St. Denis Liberal Algoma—Manitoulin, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have a new example of misinformation, courtesy of the Reform Party. Reform's pamphlet on immigration contains many examples of incorrect figures and facts to mislead Canadians.

The letter from the leader of the Reform Party states:

In March 1998 an advisory group appointed by the Minister of Immigration met in Ottawa to examine the policies and legislation governing immigration to Canada.

The minister was holding hearings in Ottawa in March, not the advisory committee. The letter from the Reform leader further states:

The official opposition requested an opportunity to contribute its own recommendations, but was denied access to the advisory group by the minister.

It was the minister who was holding hearings, not the advisory group. The minister decided not to hear from any MPs because they already had access to her in the House.

The FamilyStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Reform

Maurice Vellacott Reform Wanuskewin, SK

Mr. Speaker, the Reform Party has long called for equal tax treatment for one income families who care for their children at home. In fact this is part of our Reform blue book and was a central part of our 1997 election platform.

We should be offering a child care credit for all parents regardless of the method of child care they choose. Research from around the world shows that direct parental care for young children is one of the best methods of fostering secure attachment and preventing problems in adolescence and adulthood.

According to a national poll fully 94% of Canadians identified lack of time to spend with offspring as a serious stress on family life. In a poll conducted last year 92% of Ontarians said it was preferable for a young child to be at home with a parent. Yet the government implements tax policies which discourage and in fact discriminate against such an arrangement.

The most important relationship for the long term health of the nation is that of the parent-child bond. The family is the building block of society.

Reform PartyStatements By Members

2 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval West, QC

Mr. Speaker, here are some other inconsistencies.

The Reform Party pamphlet on immigration states that the advisory group's mandate was to provide recommendations to the minister. Later they claim “the advisory committee has made 172 recommendations to the Standing Committee on Immigration”.

Not only is this second statement false, but it also shows the continuous inconsistency of the Reform Party. Reform members also recommend that the government produce a detailed and honest report on the immigration levels, legislation and policy and table it in Parliament.

Reform members do not know what they are talking about. The Immigration Act requires the minister to table in this House, in October, a report on the levels expected for the following year and the actual levels for the current year.

Finally, this booklet is for all Canadians, but it is available only in English. Does this mean that francophones across Canada are not Canadians?

ImmigrationStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Liberal

Maria Minna Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

Mr. Speaker, I do not believe the Reform Party can determine fact from fiction. I see no other purpose for Reform's immigration pamphlet than to foster anti-immigration sentiment in the country.

The Reform Party states that Canada now accepts more immigrants per capita than any other country in the world. This is false. I urge the Reform Party to look to New Zealand first. Its pie chart shows immigration of skilled workers at only 21% when in fact the 1997 figures show over 55% were from the economic class.

The Reform Party claims that some immigrants are sponsoring extended families and people who are not really relatives. The Immigration Act only allows sponsorship of immediate family, parents and grandparents.

Reformers insist that they are committed to restoring the confidence of Canadians in the immigration system. They should start by speaking the truth.

ImmigrationStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

The Speaker

We are getting pretty close in our statements. We had better cut back a bit on the rhetoric.

The SenateStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Reform

Inky Mark Reform Dauphin—Swan River, MB

Mr. Speaker, since 1870 Manitobans have governed themselves in areas of provincial jurisdiction. Since Confederation, Manitobans have elected MPs to the House of Commons. Even earlier they governed themselves at the municipal level democratically.

Manitobans have always been saddled with senators who are party fundraisers, leadership campaign supporters, former MPs and political friends.

Senator Carstairs wants a triple-E Senate. Premier Filmon wants a triple-E Senate. Premier Filmon even said that Manitobans should have the right to elect their own senators.

The Prime Minister said he is ready and willing to make changes to the Senate when the provinces are ready. Manitobans are ready and waiting.

Port Moody—CoquitlamStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Liberal

Sophia Leung Liberal Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Mr. Speaker, as chair of the Liberal B.C. caucus I am delighted to announce very good news to the House. As a result of yesterday's byelection the Liberal caucus has a new member of Parliament for Port Moody—Coquitlam. This is a great victory for the Liberals in B.C.

It marks the decline of the Reform Party. It sends a clear message that Reform's gutter politics are distasteful to Canadians. The leader of the Reform Party has been rejected. It also shows that the Prime Minister and the Liberal government have the confidence and support of the people of B.C.

I say thanks to the voters of Port Moody—Coquitlam for sending this message loud and clear.

Canada PostStatements By Members

2:05 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Kamouraska—Rivière-Du-Loup—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Mr. Speaker, the people of Saint-Honoré-de-Témiscouata have decided to hold Canada Post accountable.

Canada Post provides a largely insufficient annual amount of a little more than $4,000 for postal outlets in municipalities that have been deprived of their post offices under the brutal closure policy implemented by the Conservatives.

In 1993, rural areas responded by electing members of Parliament who supported the moratorium on the closure of rural post offices. Unfortunately, the post offices that were closed have not been reopened.

The people of Saint-Honoré-de-Témiscouata are sending a clear message to the federal government. The municipality has taken down the Canadian flag from its municipal building. Citizens have put their houses for sale and buy their stamps in Rivière-du-Loup, 20 kilometres away.

Today, the federal government must live up to its commitment and force Canada Post to provide enough money to maintain postal services for all of rural Canada.

Aboriginal Languages DayStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

NDP

Gordon Earle NDP Halifax West, NS

Mr. Speaker, today the Commissioner of Official Languages released his annual report on Canada's two official languages. However Canada has many languages, all of which are equally important to the rich fabric of Canadian society.

Today being Aboriginal Languages Day draws our attention in particular to the 53 aboriginal languages which exist in the country, many of which are on the brink of extinction due to the unfortunate historical maltreatment of aboriginal peoples and their cultures.

However I am pleased to note that aboriginal peoples have taken and continue to take measures to revive, preserve and promote their languages.

Chapel Island Portlotek First Nation in Nova Scotia declared Mi'kmaq to be the official language of its community. Eskasoni First Nation in Nova Scotia, in partnership with government, established a centre of excellence for Mi'kmaq language curriculum development to support language programs in both public and band schools.

These measures serve to ensure that the rich heritage of aboriginal languages enhances not only the lives of aboriginals but also the lives of all Canadians.

Port Moody—CoquitlamStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

David Iftody Liberal Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, congratulations to Lou Sekora on a solid victory in yesterday's byelection.

The voters of Port Moody—Coquitlam have put their confidence in a Liberal member to represent their interests in the House of Commons. We will not let them down.

The Reform Party claims that it is the only voice for British Columbia, but yesterday the voters rejected Reform's divisive, narrow politics.

The fact is that Liberals have increased their percentage of the vote in this riding consistently since 1993. Clearly British Columbians want good government and will vote for members who represent their day to day concerns.

Finally, yesterday shows that no Reform seat is safe in western Canada. Together with other Liberals from western Canada and from every part of the country, we will build a strong British Columbia and therefore a strong Canada.

Grand Falls Curling ClubStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

Progressive Conservative

Gilles Bernier Progressive Conservative Tobique—Mactaquac, NB

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to join with curling fans from across Canada in celebrating the new world champion junior women's curling team from my riding of Tobique—Mactaquac.

This year, Team Canada was the Grand Falls Curling Club of Melissa McClure, Nancy Toner, Brigitte McClure, Bethany Toner and Julie Webb. Years of training, dedication and sacrifice paid off on Sunday when they beat Japan's Akiko Katoh 11 to 3.

They also have a secret weapon. Father Joseph LeBlanc and the congregation at St. John the Evangelist Church in Johnville, New Brunswick, held a prayer service Sunday morning to ensure their victory.

I congratulate Melissa, Nancy, Brigitte, Bethany and Julie. They truly are the best in the world. Way to go, Team Canada.

PovertyStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

Bloc

Christiane Gagnon Bloc Québec, QC

Mr. Speaker, the National Council of Welfare has said that it is a national disgrace that we should have 2.8 million people on welfare in Canada. And that is not an overstatement.

We should not forget that over the last decade, the number of people on welfare has gone up by 47% from 1.9 million to 2.8 million. Single mothers represent 27% of those on welfare.

The human resources development minister can heap all the praise he wants on the employment insurance reform, the fact is this reform is one of the main causes of increasing poverty.

Why does the Liberal government take pleasure in racking up $20 billion in surplus in the employment insurance fund, in hiding budget surpluses, and in granting tax privileges to certain shipping concerns when children are going hungry and their parents are being pushed aside as active participants in society?

Port Moody—CoquitlamStatements By Members

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

Paul Bonwick Liberal Simcoe—Grey, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is with great pleasure I rise today to welcome a new colleague. The residents of Port Moody—Coquitlam have spoken loud and clear. They have sent us a member who cares and supports the same things they do. They have sent us Lou Sekora, the newest Liberal member of Parliament.

Mr. Sekora and our Prime Minister should be proud of the vote of confidence the people of British Columbia have shown in them.

The leader of the Reform stated last week:

A lot of people will be watching this riding, not just in B.C., but across the country, because it's the first chance for voters to say what they think of government policy.

For once we agree. Port Moody—Coquitlam has sent a message to the Reform. They have said no to the Reform style of politics. They have said no to the Reform mud-slinging. They have said no to Reform's attempt to set British Columbia against the rest of Canada. They have said no to the arrogant, guttural behaviour of not just the Reform Party but equally so its contemptible leader.

I say congratulations to Mr. Sekora, our newest Liberal member of Parliament.

Hepatitis COral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Calgary Southwest Alberta

Reform

Preston Manning ReformLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, on February 20 of this year the Minister of Health was asked about compassion. He was asked if he would extend a hand to the thousands of Canadians dying from hepatitis C in their blood. He said “This government will not walk away from its responsibilities”. But he broke that promise. The Liberals are now leaving thousands of Canadians to die without help.

I ask the Prime Minister, what would he tell these thousands of abandoned victims to do, just go away and die quietly? Is that his position?

Hepatitis COral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Etobicoke Centre Ontario

Liberal

Allan Rock LiberalMinister of Health

Mr. Speaker, the decision that was announced last Friday was a decision made and shared by every government in this country. It was made in a difficult situation with tough factors to take into account.

In listening to the hon. Leader of the Opposition one would think that decision did not show compassion. Twenty-two thousand people are going to be compensated as a result, everyone who was contaminated with hepatitis C during a four year period when governments, when the Red Cross could have and should have acted.

Hepatitis COral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Calgary Southwest Alberta

Reform

Preston Manning ReformLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, I directed my question to the Prime Minister for a reason. We have heard the lawyer's answer. We have heard the accountant's answer. We have heard the answers of people who put limited liability ahead of human suffering.

In his report Justice Horace Krever said that Canada has a moral obligation to compensate all these victims. A moral obligation. I ask the Prime Minister, is he now saying that Justice Krever was wrong and we do not have a moral obligation to compensate all victims?

Hepatitis COral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Etobicoke Centre Ontario

Liberal

Allan Rock LiberalMinister of Health

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Justice Krever did his job as a commissioner on a royal commission. He dealt just with the blood system. Then it was up to governments to fulfil their responsibilities by making public policy. We did that last Friday. As a result, governments are spending over a billion dollars for the benefit and assistance of over 22,000 Canadians who were harmed during a period when something could have been done to prevent it.

Governments are taking responsibility and doing the right thing.

Hepatitis COral Question Period

2:15 p.m.

Calgary Southwest Alberta

Reform

Preston Manning ReformLeader of the Opposition

Mr. Speaker, the health minister adds insult to injury. The health minister went before the cabinet today to ask for $100 million to compensate sports teams and jazz musicians for lost cigarette ads. One hundred million dollars from the health minister for car racing, comedy clubs, and tennis tournaments.

How can the Liberal cabinet even consider spending $100 million on racing cars when thousands of hepatitis C victims remain uncompensated?