House of Commons Hansard #76 of the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was committees.

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8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Madam Chair, I thank the member for Shefford for her question.

We are here for the well-being of all Canadians, including women. We need programs to help women in crisis. Especially in the midst of a pandemic, we need to have programs for women at risk. That is what we are here for.

I will support programs to help women, like the seven women in Quebec, during this crisis. I will support some policies that will help Canadians. This is no time for political bickering, because we are here for the well-being of Quebec and Canadian women. As I said, there is a shadow pandemic to this pandemic.

I am here, as Leader of the Opposition, because this is an important concern for me personally as a leader, as a member of Parliament, but also as a father.

I will work with all parties if there is a serious bill to help women at risk. We need to work together.

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9 p.m.

NDP

Lindsay Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

Madam Chair, I would like to ask the hon. Leader of the Opposition whether or not he believes that, with so many challenges women have now, one of the things that needs to be emphasized is the fact that they have a choice and that they have the right to control what happens to their body.

I would like to know whether he supports that choice, but I would also like to know why, when he has said that he does, he continues to allow members in his party to introduce private members' bills that actually seek to undermine a woman's right to choose.

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9 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Madam Chair, I am disappointed that the member for London—Fanshawe did not use this as an opportunity to work together on something.

The member knows that I am pro-choice. It seems like the minister and other people in this debate do not want to actually put some tangible ideas forward. They want to use this debate for political attacks, and that is not going to help women.

We need to work together and I have a clear track record on that.

In fact, I was reading my father's speech on the Lori Dupont bill, which I would invite the member for London—Fanshawe to read, because Andrea Horwath, the provincial NDP member, spoke after my father, and she gave a wonderful speech. They were all working together, instead of putting little politics at play.

Before being an MP, I fundraised for Nellie's shelter. My family helped support the creation of the Bethesda House shelter in our region. We care about these issues.

It is disappointing to see potshots, particularly as the leader of a party. I am not sure if there will be other leaders after me tonight. Let us work together. This is important. Let us work for Canadian women.

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9 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Chair, the hon. leader of the official opposition has spoken to the lack of an official response to the missing and murdered indigenous women and girls inquiry, and I wonder if he would be prepared to commit to one of the core recommendations of that inquiry, which is to have a guaranteed livable income to ensure that among us people are not, in an intersectional sense, made far more vulnerable through their poverty.

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9 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Madam Chair, a former leader of a party is a part of the debate tonight, and I appreciate the member for Saanich—Gulf Islands.

As she would know from her province of British Columbia, the NDP government just did a remarkably detailed report on a guaranteed basic income that will not help people in the ways intended. I refer her to the Gary Mason article covering it in The Globe and Mail from a few months ago.

We do want to help people who are left behind. That is why I talked particularly about the biggest factor for some women trying to flee violence, which studies have shown is financial instability. If that member or anyone has some policies to help with that, Nellie's shelter in Toronto and the Bethesda House in the Durham region are doing that. They are providing that support, that security and certainty, so that women can get out of the relationship.

I talked about the statistic of “seven times”. Seven times they will try to leave. I will work with anyone on that. Recommendations from the inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women, many TRC recommendations, and in fact many reports going back generations now need to be acted on.

As people get to know my style, they will find that I will work with anyone who wants to make progress for indigenous Canadian women and make Canada live up to that opportunity.

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9 p.m.

Conservative

Karen Vecchio Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

Madam Chair, this has been an interesting debate to watch. I am a proud woman. I am a proud pro-choice woman who is proud to be a Conservative member of Parliament, regardless of all the hands flaring in the air right now.

I look at what you have just announced, and one of the most incredible things that we must do is address the mental health challenges in our communities. I know that as the Conservative leader, you have talked about some of these mental health challenges that we have had. Mental health, addictions, violence: all of these horrific things do go hand in hand in many cases.

Can you share with us some of your plans with regard to mental health, and also with regard to getting women back to work, if you have time for that as well?

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9 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

I would love to share those plans, but I think the question is for the leader of the opposition.

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9:05 p.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Madam Chair, I want to thank my colleague for her passion and compassion. I see it every day, as she is part of my leadership team. I am very proud to leverage that passion, compassion and sense of humour.

The member knows that mental health is an area that I have tried to work on since I left the military. As I saw the impact of help for veterans and first responders, that has expanded my work in Durham to working with anyone on wellness and programming, including for victims of sexual trauma in the Canadian Armed Forces. There are a great number of women advocates in a group called “It's Just 700” who are fighting to highlight that. It has been disappointing to see the government not rooting out a culture of cover-ups and harassment in the forces. We need to do better.

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9:05 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair, it is an honour to have a woman presiding this evening.

I rise with a lump in my throat to speak to this deeply tragic and heartbreaking issue: rising rates of femicide.

I will read part of the motion, which, unfortunately, reflects just how sad this situation is: That the House: (a) mourn the lives of the seven women who lost their lives to heinous acts of femicide in Quebec in the past few months; (b) mourn the lives of all women and gender-diverse people across Canada and Quebec who have lost their lives to intimate partner violence and gender-based violence, including over 160 women lost to femicide in the last year alone; (c) continue to support the survivors of gender-based violence; (d) acknowledge the incredibly alarming increase in gender-based violence across the country; (e) condemn gender-based violence in all its forms; (f) work with governments to accelerate investments in shelters and transition housing, and support the advancement of a National Action Plan on Gender-Based Violence; (g) call on all Canadians and Quebeckers to do more to combat and raise awareness of all forms of gender-based violence.

As I mentioned in my speech on March 8, the pandemic has given women and girls quite a few slaps to the face. I am not just talking figuratively, with the increased mental burden, invisible work and front-line work in our health care system. I am especially referring to the literal sense of the word, because far too many women have been killed as a result of the marked increase in domestic violence cases. During the pandemic, 10% of women lived in fear of domestic violence. That number is three times higher among indigenous women.

This evening, I want to let the facts speak for themselves. Sadly, one in three women is a victim of domestic violence. Fully 90% of women who are victims of domestic violence will experience lasting effects ranging from psychological trauma to head trauma caused by hits to the head and concussions.

In a recent interview, Jean-François Landry, a former member of the impulse control support group, described a violent man as follows:

He could be the nicest partner, but then out of the blue, he would fly into a violent rage, shouting and throwing things. That kind of behaviour was normal; that's how he was raised. He never hit anyone, but he vented his anger on the walls, for example. He was also pretty explosive with the kids. He never got mad at work, so he took all his anger out on his family at home. Ironically, the people who knew him just as an acquaintance or a friend would never have guessed he was violent at home.

The point I am trying to make with this example is that it is important to include men in this conversation, in this debate.

Geneviève Guilbault, the Deputy Premier of Quebec and minister of public security stated the following in an interview:

What has been happening this week is tragic. This is extremely upsetting, shocking and entirely unacceptable. We have a responsibility as a government and as a society to stop violence against women. This must be done through prevention and enforcement, but first and foremost through accountability. We must encourage men to seek help when they are violent or at risk of being violent, and obviously, of course, remind women that they can and must ask for help.

It is unacceptable that weeks will go by before men will get any help to prevent domestic violence. The government also needs to make sure that it provides funding to prevention organizations, because the budget, at first administrative, will probably be adapted to include funding to address and prevent violence against women. We must condemn the problem, yes, but that will not solve everything. Society needs to repeat the message and continue to hammer the point home in order to change mindsets.

In addition to those seven femicides over six weeks in Quebec, last year alone, over 300 women were the victims of attempted murder, a chilling statistic. We need to continue to put pressure on the government, but we also must not forget that society as a whole needs to work together to resolve the problem of domestic violence. We need to acknowledge what is happening.

I want to recognize the exercise that was recently carried out in Quebec, where a committee of experts studied violence against women. Beyond the roadmap, the federal government also needs to collaborate by quickly transferring substantial funding to the organizations. As a society, we also need to find the will and continue to put pressure on the government because, in addition to the budget that was tabled today, the Government of Quebec has the will to invest to combat violence against women.

I hope that what some people are describing as a social crisis will help us to understand that the domestic violence issue goes beyond battered women; it is about society's behaviours as a whole. We therefore need to be proactive and understand that psychological violence and coercive control can have consequences and can be precursors of violence. In that regard, I want to point out the work of Myrabelle Poulin, who shares powerful testimonials on this issue on her blog, “Les mots de Myra”, or Myra's words. We also need to help women break the cycle of poverty because, all too often, that is what keeps them vulnerable.

Anouk St-Onge, who is in charge of domestic violence cases at the Montreal police, the SPVM, recently noted that there has been a 12% increase in reported cases of domestic violence in Montreal. She lamented that more than 1,500 cases of domestic violence were reported in 2020 alone, an increase over 2019.

We know that the pandemic has cut victims off from their social support system and isolated them, aggravating the situations of domestic violence. Being trapped 24 hours a day with your attacker is an aggravating factor. At certain times during the pandemic, the drop in the number of complaints was not good news.

A much broader discussion is needed on the fact that domestic violence is more than the battering of women. As I was saying, it also encompasses verbal and psychological abuse, such as snooping through a partner's text messages. Signs of domestic violence are on the rise, but we have seen during the pandemic that there is a shortage of shelters in Quebec.

Of course, the opposition parties at the Quebec National Assembly are calling for new funding to meet the growing needs in addressing domestic violence. For Quebec to effectively combat domestic violence by reinvesting in underfunded domestic violence prevention organizations, such as shelters, there needs to be an increase in transfers, the money must not be held back and the agreements must be reached more quickly.

As recently indicated when considering the estimates at the Standing Committee on the Status of Women, Quebec received its allocated amounts more than five months after the other provinces received theirs. This evening it may also be pertinent to ask if federal health initiatives are aligned with Quebec's priorities, yes or no.

If the past is any indication of the future, there is cause for concern. In 2014, a panel of experts on federal initiatives in the health and social services sectors from 2002 to 2013 presented a very interesting report to the Government of Quebec. I will only mention a few of the report's findings.

The federal government's initiatives in health and social services stem mainly from what is known as the “spending power” [and, in certain cases, I would even call it, unfortunately, the power to withhold spending]. These initiatives may address in part the focus, objectives and priorities of Quebec...however, most of the time, they propose and even impose targets and approaches that are different than the ones already adopted by Quebec authorities.

In general, the federal government is pursuing its own objectives, no doubt influenced by an analysis of the needs of all Canadians and the state of the provincial [including Quebec's] and territorial systems. In some cases, there can be a rather large gap between federal policies, priorities and approaches and Quebec's. A number of the people consulted indicated that, if they could manage the money spent by the federal government themselves, they would not use it in the same way. They would have different priorities and strategies.

Quebec knows its own agencies. “The federal government's funding for health care and social services is woefully inequitable for Quebec”, especially “since the federal funding does not take into account any money a province or territory may have already spent on the same item.”

This is important for programs that are tailored to the different regions in Quebec and Canada. In my speech at the Standing Committee on Status of Women last summer, I spoke about the CALACS I had heard from back home. In Quebec, in the middle of a pandemic, just three out of seven of these sexual assault centres had qualified for a program that directly helped survivors. That is unacceptable.

Organizations need predictability, which is lacking in federal programs. There is no long-term assistance.

One last thing: We need to be careful. If this government is truly a feminist government, it must no longer tolerate violence against indigenous women and it must implement the findings in the report of the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls.

The government also needs to take action, after failing to respond to allegations of sexual misconduct in the Canadian Armed Forces for over three years. It must no longer perpetuate this culture of silence. It needs to work to improve the gun control bill. The government should not wait until after the crisis to take action. It needs to do something now.

However, we need to be careful not to politicize this issue because that is not what is needed. To protect the women and girls of Quebec and the provinces and territories, we need to go beyond grim statistics and ensure that those numbers do not increase, because every death is one too many. Let us take action.

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9:15 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Madam Chair, I want to thank the member for raising the issue of brain injuries. During the pandemic, I have held a number of meetings and round tables with women's organizations and transition houses. One of those organizations is The Cridge Centre for the Family. It runs an intimate partner violence and brain injury initiative and supports women who have experienced brain injuries at the hands of intimate partners, and the needs of the centre are greater than the resources it has. In addition, the brain injury portion of the program is currently funded just by donors and has no secure federal government funding.

In Canada, 200,000 women each year experience violence at the hands of intimate partners and studies show that at least 90% of those will suffer a brain injury through blows to the head, face, neck and/or strangulation. Can the member speak about the need for stable government funding for these programs?

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9:15 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair, I thank my colleague from Victoria for her question.

Obviously, when we talk about help for health in serious cases, such as those involving brain injuries, for example, we need to increase funding for the entire health care system so that it can deal with the increased number of cases of domestic violence and better help victims.

The reason why organizations have difficulty funding their activities may be because they are trying to address gaps in the health care system. For that reason, it is more important than ever to immediately increase health transfers so that the health care systems of Quebec and the provinces and territories can better support these women.

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9:15 p.m.

Liberal

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Madam Chair, I would like to thank the member for her contribution to the all-party women's caucus and her great advocacy. What are the member's views on toxic masculinity and the culture of intimate partner violence and violence against women, and what would she propose we do to address this issue and take concrete action in combatting this?

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9:15 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair, I thank my colleague for her question.

My God, that is a huge issue.

One thing I can say for sure about toxic masculinity and violence is that men need to be part of the conversation. Education is also part of it. We have to be able to talk to our boys and our men and encourage them to seek help. That might have to be part of our education programs, but that comes under the jurisdiction of Quebec and the provinces and territories. I will leave the education component up to them, but there is definitely work to be done there.

We also need resources to support men. Again, these groups are asking for help. They need financial support. That is why we need higher transfers to enhance support not only for the health care system that helps men in distress with mental health issues, but organizations as well. My answer is yes because that is how we can help them. I know of some excellent resources for men in my riding and elsewhere in Quebec, as well as in Canada.

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9:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jag Sahota Conservative Calgary Skyview, AB

Madam Chair, the member for Shefford and I sit on the status of women committee. We have heard from organizations over the past year and due to either the lack of funding or the funding not having been renewed even though we have this pandemic, they have had to turn women away—

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9:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

I am sorry, I do not think we can get interpretation.

Could the hon. member speak another sentence or two, please.

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9:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jag Sahota Conservative Calgary Skyview, AB

Madam Chair, I have a new headset, so it should be working. I apologize for that.

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9:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Chair Liberal Alexandra Mendes

It is not the House provided headset, therefore, I am really sorry but we cannot proceed.

The hon. member for Elgin—Middlesex—London.

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9:20 p.m.

Conservative

Karen Vecchio Conservative Elgin—Middlesex—London, ON

Madam Chair, I am sorry that the hon. member will not be able to finish that great question.

I, too, served on that great committee, the status of women, with the member for Shefford. I have had the opportunity to work with many women. Right now, as we continue to look at this crisis, we know there has been a huge increase. I was really proud to work with the member. The NDP, Bloc, Conservatives and the Green Party all came together asking for MAPI funding, the measures to address prostitution initiative.

Does the member think the government has put enough money into the resources for men, women and girls.

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9:20 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair, the amounts transferred during the crisis to Quebec, the provinces and the territories obviously could have been increased. I thank my colleague for her question. I would like to commend her work as former chair of the Standing Committee on the Status of Women. This summer, the committee examined the impact of the pandemic on women and girls. We heard from some organizations that said that some of the programs could have indeed been improved. Organizations also talked about the lack of predictability, the fact that programs are far too short term, which means they cannot plan for the long term. They talked about the importance of transferring more money.

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9:20 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Madam Chair, I thank my colleague from Shefford for her speech and, as I mentioned earlier, for her dedication to women's rights.

Like the Liberal member who asked a question before me, I would like her thoughts on toxic masculinity. Where does it come from, and how can women, men and fathers like me address it? How can we prevent toxic masculinity, not only among women's partners, but also among ex-partners and in workplaces across the country, including Parliament Hill? I would like to hear her thoughts on that.

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9:20 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair, I thank my colleague from Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie for his question. I would like to thank him once again for acknowledging my work, and I want to acknowledge his as well.

Toxic masculinity, as I mentioned earlier, is such a huge problem. I have talked to groups like Afeas, which advocates for women's rights in Quebec. One thing we should focus on is equality, and one way to work toward gender equality is sharing housework. Another is recognizing the importance of implementing measures and rules to prevent workplace harassment. That is crucial.

We have heard too many stories about toxic workplaces. The Canadian Armed Forces might be an example of that, but it is just one of many. That is why it is important to have training programs to prevent workplace harassment and assault. Getting more organizations to adopt such plans is crucial.

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9:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Chair, I thank the member for Shefford.

It is clear that the rise in domestic violence caused by the pandemic has reached crisis levels. My question is simple, and it is about the federal and provincial governments. They must provide funding for shelters for women in abusive relationships who are at risk of violence.

It seems clear to me that we do not have enough resources to meet the needs.

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9:25 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair, I thank my colleague very much for her question and for fighting for the feminist cause. We are members of the Canadian Association of Feminist Parliamentarians.

As I mentioned in my speech, during the pandemic, some shelters said that they had not received enough funding. Organizations such as the CALACS, the sexual assault help centres that work with survivors, did not have access to some of the funds because the programs had not been adjusted. Not every CALACS managed to qualify for the programs.

This absolutely needs to be reviewed, especially since Quebec is calling for it and, as I said in my speech, there are delays in the agreements. The fact that Quebec received money five months later than other provinces is unacceptable. These delays are far too long. Let us speed up the process and ensure that we create agreements across Canada. We certainly must not forget the agreements with Quebec.

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9:25 p.m.

Bloc

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Madam Chair, it warms my heart to see you here with us this evening.

I congratulate my colleague from Shefford not only on giving an excellent speech, but also on sharing her heartfelt and urgent concerns.

I have a question for her. In my experience, because I like to make connections to real life, I have observed that women in violent situations hesitate to go to shelters, to file a complaint with the police or to report what is happening, for fear of abuse.

What kind of funding and resources could the government give these homes to help women truly feel safe?

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9:25 p.m.

Bloc

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Madam Chair, I think it is more crucial for women to regain a sense of safety and security. To do that, there must be adequate funding so that shelters have enough space and better measures to ensure the safety of women. We also needs laws like the one we passed last fall to ensure the elimination of prejudice and better training for judges for cases of sexual assault, and that victims report their aggressors. We must eliminate the prejudices still held by certain judges.