House of Commons Hansard #360 of the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs Members debate the government's failure to provide documents related to alleged mismanagement and conflicts of interest at Sustainable Development Technology Canada, citing the Auditor General's report. Conservatives demand the government release unredacted documents to the RCMP, accusing them of obstruction. Liberals argue Conservatives play political games and disrespect institutions by demanding documents in a way that could be a circumvention of normal investigative processes. NDP and Greens support investigating SDTC but criticize the prolonged debate tactic. 47100 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Liberal government's housing plan, calling it ineffective and proposing to axe the federal sales tax on new homes to lower costs. They highlight record food bank usage linked to the carbon tax and demand a carbon tax election. Concerns about CRA privacy breaches and related fraud are also raised.
The Liberals criticize the Conservative plan for involving severe cuts to essential programs, including housing, child care, dental care, and support for families and seniors. They highlight their own investments in affordable housing, the Canada child benefit, and sexual health, while pressing the Conservative leader on his lack of security clearance.
The Bloc raises concerns about potential asylum seeker increases due to U.S. politics and criticizes the federal government's perceived obstruction of Quebec's law on medical assistance in dying and advance requests. They also question why criminal organizations can be run from prison using illegal cellphones.
The NDP criticize the government for inaction on ensuring accessible abortion care and delaying funding for accessible transit for people with disabilities. They highlight the increase in food bank usage and call out Rogers' price hikes after its takeover.

Petitions

Adjournment Debates

Poisoned drug crisis funding Mike Morrice raises concerns about zero SUAP funding for Waterloo region despite the ongoing drug crisis. Élisabeth Brière cites past investments and a new emergency treatment fund. Morrice emphasizes the urgency of the situation. Brière defends the allocation process, deferring to experts, and highlights healthcare investments.
Inmate vocational training Scott Reid questions the adequacy of CORCAN's non-Red Seal apprenticeship programs, citing a lack of modernization and insufficient opportunities for inmates. Irek Kusmierczyk defends the program, highlighting its benefits for reintegration, community safety, and cost savings, emphasizing partnerships and vocational training certificates earned by inmates.
Foreign interference investigation Kevin Vuong questions why the government is slow to release the names of parliamentarians identified in the NSICOP report on foreign interference. Irek Kusmierczyk defends the government's support for the public inquiry and its commitment to protecting democratic institutions. He also cites the importance of cabinet confidentiality.
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Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Madam Speaker, it was not a full $200 million to Cycle Capital, I do not believe, but it is enough to probably feed some of those two million Canadians who are right now relying on the food bank to eat.

This is a statement we would never think would be uttered in a country like Canada, a country that is so rich with resources, technology and hard-working people who wake up every day and go to work so they can provide for their family, a country where people can hopefully have meaningful employment and can create a Canada that we would be proud to hand down to the next generation.

I think of the Liberals on the other side. What is your legacy going to be? How can you defend this much waste—

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

The member is to address all questions and comments through the Chair and not directly to the other side of the House.

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4 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Madam Speaker, to the other side, was it worth it? Did they hold their noses and look the other way? When the truth comes out about SDTC, this might be the largest scandal that could dwarf the sponsorship scandal tenfold.

The government needs to hand over all evidence to the RCMP unredacted today.

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4 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Madam Speaker, the RCMP commissioner has spoken often to the Canadian public, so I am sure the member is aware as well. The commissioner was on CTV News and confirmed that there is an investigation going on. He confirmed that he has received the first load of documents from the chamber and that the RCMP has not looked at them.

When asked why the RCMP did not look at them, he said that we have charter rights, that there are processes within this country and that the way it obtains the materials actually matters. The following question was posed to the commissioner: If the RCMP received more documents, would it look at them? He basically said that it needs to look at what information it has first, and it has to look at the way that the documents are being obtained.

Does the member agree that charter rights should be respected when documents are being obtained? Does he believe that we should be focused on Canadians and on ensuring that we do protect their rights and freedoms?

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4 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Madam Speaker, that is a bit rich coming from a government that violated people's charter rights and freedoms. However, it is also coming from a government that has, I would say, put our reputation around the world and our institutions in the sewer.

I think of the proud history of our RCMP. To pretend to have the RCMP giving coverage to the Liberal government over the turning over of evidence is farcical. There are limitations on the evidence's being used in court, but it would show the RCMP who got rich and which Liberal insiders profited from a $400-million taxpayers' fund that was supposed to help out the environment but instead helped out insiders.

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4 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Madam Speaker, my colleague is giving speeches on his own motion and delaying the Conservatives' own motion, and it is kind of a waste of our time.

I want to take this opportunity to say that, this morning, I was proud to find out that 240,622 people in Quebec have received dental care thanks to the work of the NDP, which made this negotiation happen and reached this agreement with the minority government. These 240,000 people were able to get dental care thanks to the work we did here in the House.

If, by some misfortune, his party were to take power in the next election, can my colleague promise these 240,000 people that the Canadian dental care plan will be maintained?

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4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Madam Speaker, how did we get here? It is because the NDP and the Liberals are one and the same. The New Democrats pretend their coalition is over, but meanwhile they continue to support the government. They ripped up the agreement but then voted with the Liberals.

How much can we believe about anything the NDP says, when the evidence is in front of us about the fact that it is not really an opposition party? It is really just a satellite branch of the Liberal Party. Unfortunately, I think the NDP is going to find out shortly that voters have no time for the NDP-Liberals and what they have been up to, because the NDP is also implicated in the scandal. Let us remember that the current government, supported by the NDP, is the government that put $400 million into Liberal insiders' pockets instead of into important initiatives that could help our environment.

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4:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Speaker, I was surprised to hear my hon. friend, the member for Saskatoon—University's, vigorous defence of SNC-Lavalin and the call for the government to give it more money. The fact that it changed its name to AtkinsRéalis does not change anything; it is the same corrupt corporation it was before. I certainly favour, and I wonder whether the hon. member for Saskatoon—University also favours, continuing an RCMP investigation into the ways in which SNC-Lavalin, now AtkinsRéalis, got away with the corruption in Libya and now continues to get hundreds of millions of dollars.

The member's claim that the federal Liberals do not support nuclear is not borne up by the facts. I wish it were. I would like to ask him whether he still supports nuclear so vigorously while knowing that the corporation promoting it, which now owns the CANDU reactor model and Canadian Nuclear Laboratories and bought all of what was AECL except for some of its more long-lived nuclear waste at Chalk River, is actually the beneficiary of all the largesse, of which the member wants more.

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October 28th, 2024 / 4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Madam Speaker, the question is an important one because it is about nuclear energy. For the nuclear workers who are watching the debate today, people in the Liberal Party, maybe 75% of them, view nuclear in the same way the last speaker did. It is embarrassing that nuclear workers have been shunned by the Liberal government and by the Greens, who meanwhile are saying that we need to lower emissions, everyone has to do their part and everyone has to pay more tax.

However, there is nuclear technology that is emissions-free and has been providing reliable, affordable electricity for decades here in Canada. It is a shame that not more Canadians or more parties other than the common-sense Conservatives know that nuclear, not a tax, is the solution.

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4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Madam Speaker, I do not know how many times the member actually said, “Liberal insiders got rich.” I think that was the statement he said quite a bit.

As we are debating this round, the Liberals did not ask about things that have to do with why we are here. The NDP, of course, did not ask about the issue we are debating or why the documents are not going over. Now the Green member is not even asking about what we are actually debating.

Here we are after three weeks. The House has basically been shut down because the Prime Minister will not hand over documents, when the Auditor General has proven there are 186 conflicts of interest, over 334 million dollars' worth.

How can the government actually look at itself in the mirror at the end of the day? What will the Prime Minister's legacy be?

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4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Madam Speaker, the member is right. How is this possible? It is because of the NDP, which is propping up the Liberal government.

NDP voters who are watching the debate right now should know that their vote is really a vote for the Liberals. It does not matter anymore. The Conservative Party is the only party in here that is standing up for the taxpayer and for what is right for our country, saying that insiders' getting rich from contracts handed out by insiders at the SDTC needs to stop today. The evidence needs to go through to the RCMP for a full investigation on which insiders got rich and why. We know there are a number of Liberal ministers who hold companies that got rich from the fund.

It is such a shame because common-sense Conservatives believe in technology. We believe in science. We believe that technology is the solution to our problems that we face today. If the fund had been managed properly, we would not be in the shape that we are in as a country.

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4:10 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, the Liberal insider whom the member continues to make reference to was actually an adviser to Stephen Harper and to Jim Flaherty. She donated thousands of dollars to the Conservative Party. The member has the audacity to call the person a Liberal insider and base his whole argument on that in regard to the issue of the Liberal Party.

Meanwhile, the real issue is this: Vote and the matter would go to committee and be talked about, or play the Conservative game, disrespect Canadians and filibuster the House of Commons. Why is the Conservative Party putting its personal interests ahead of the interests of the nation?

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Corey Tochor Conservative Saskatoon—University, SK

Madam Speaker, the Liberals want to sweep it under the rug. We just heard it: “We are going to send it to committee. Do not worry about the evidence; the RCMP will get its guys.” The RCMP will; it is very good at getting its guys.

The member insinuates that we just need to have a committee and talk about it. The problem is that the Liberals are propped up by other parties. The issue will go nowhere unless we stand our ground and demand that the evidence get turned over to the RCMP today.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4:10 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

There are other voices coming from both sides of the House. I just want to remind members to please be respectful, and if they have any questions and comments, they should wait till the appropriate time.

We are resuming debate.

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton, ON

Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I am just checking whether we have quorum or not.

And the count having been taken:

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4:10 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

We do have quorum.

The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.

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4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Madam Speaker, I get the sense that the Conservatives are running out of speakers. They do not have to speak; they can just allow the question on their motion, and then we can get it to committee if that would be more helpful to the members opposite.

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4:10 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

That is not point of order; it is a point of debate.

The hon. member for Waterloo is rising on another point of order.

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4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Madam Speaker, the Conservatives have been notorious for leaving their cellphone right beside the microphone, causing feedback for the interpreters, so I just want to make sure the member has put his phone away before he starts speaking.

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4:10 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I did raise this a while ago, and I am sure that members who are setting up to speak are taking that into consideration.

The hon. member for Calgary Signal Hill has the floor.

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Madam Speaker, it is always interesting to have a Liberal try to look after a Conservative, but I was—

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

The kids have to be reminded. See, we care. I care for the interpreters actually.

Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House AffairsPrivilegeOrders of the Day

4:10 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

I want to remind the hon. member for Waterloo that it is not time for questions and comments. If she has anything to contribute, she should wait until then.

The hon. member for Calgary Signal Hill has the floor.

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4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Liepert Conservative Calgary Signal Hill, AB

Madam Speaker, I have been in this game for a long time. In fact, I was probably involved in this game before the member for Waterloo was even born, so I know what to do with my cellphone when I am up to speak. I thank her for sharing her concern. I am sure we will have an opportunity to share some concerns during questions and comments.

It is always a pleasure to get up in the House of Commons on behalf of the constituents of Calgary Signal Hill. However, I wish it was on an issue or item that is more relevant to them and what they want us debating. They already know the government is corrupt.

Remember, it was the Speaker who ruled that the government needs to provide the documents, so all we as an opposition have been doing for several days now is supporting the Speaker, who happened to be elected as a Liberal member of Parliament. For Liberals to stand up in the House and say the Conservatives are the ones delaying the business of the House could not be further from the truth. The Conservatives are here to keep the government accountable. An order was issued by the House, the Liberal government refused to heed that order and then the Speaker ruled in favour of the question of privilege. I do not know how much more clear it can be. It is almost a trend of this particular government, which has no respect for institutions.

As I said at the outset, I have been in this game a long time. I served in the Alberta legislature, and I cannot imagine that any member of that legislature, given the almost eight years I served, would put up with the nonsense happening here with the government. It is a lack of respect for the institution and the Chair for the Liberal members to stand here and try to put the blame on the opposition.

We have been elected by Canadians as members of the loyal opposition. Our job is to keep the government honest and look after taxpayers' dollars on their behalf, because we have a government that cannot be trusted. It is unfortunate that we have to continue this debate, but I can assure members that the will of this caucus is to get to the bottom of it. Unless the Liberal government tables the documents as ordered by the Chair, we are going to be here through Christmas if we have to be, so the government will have to come up with these documents.

In preparation for my remarks today, I did a little googling, and Wikipedia has a list of political scandals in Canada. The list is fairly lengthy, but consider that we have been a country for over 150 years, which means we have been governed by the current government for one-fifteenth of the time, and almost half of the political scandals on Wikipedia's list have happened since 2015. Many of them have been enunciated here in speeches by my colleagues, but I will start with “elbowgate”. I can't mention who it is attributed to, but we will guess. He happens to sit in the Prime Minister's chair, or “the big chair” as he called it in answer to our party leader's question one day.

Then we had the cash for access scandal, the Aga Khan scandal and the cultural appropriation scandal. I was not quite sure what that was, but it explains that the Prime Minister went to India and donned some traditional garbs and did some dances. Wikipedia considers that a scandal.

Then there is the next one. I was surprised that it was labelled this way, but it is called “Trudeau Grope Gate”—

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4:15 p.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker Carol Hughes

The hon. member knows not to mention the name of the Prime Minister or any other names of members who sit in the House.

The hon. member for Calgary Signal Hill.