House of Commons Hansard #379 of the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was documents.

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Carbon PricingOral Questions

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Madam Speaker, Canada's closest ally and largest trading partner is threatening crippling 25% tariffs, yet the Prime Minister is simply too weak to stand up for Canadians and defend our economy. Worse, his radical environment minister is in denial and declared at committee this week, “Of course, we’re going to continue with the carbon tax”. Not satisfied with just punishing Canadians here at home, now he is even plotting a global carbon tax on international shipping that will jack up the price of everything.

How much pain do the NDP-Liberals need to inflict upon Canadians before we can have a carbon tax election?

Carbon PricingOral Questions

11:55 a.m.

Milton Ontario

Liberal

Adam van Koeverden LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Environment and Climate Change and to the Minister of Sport and Physical Activity

He is making stuff up, Madam Speaker. This is coming from an MP who sent homophobic mail to households during an election to attack an opponent. This is coming from an MP who published a deepfake video and a misinformation campaign that caused the London Free Press to say the same tactics are being mirrored on a larger scale by Russian disinformation campaigns. This is coming from an MP who has said “axe the tax” in this House so many times I cannot count, and yesterday, he voted to keep the tax on. He voted against a tax cut for Canadian families. Nobody believes him.

Carbon PricingOral Questions

Noon

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Madam Speaker, those are incredible skills at distracting and deflecting. The member may take Canadians for fools, but they see the difference between a temporary two-month tax trick and real, permanent tax relief. While our largest trading partner threatens devastating tariffs, the radical environment minister is hell-bent on quadrupling his carbon tax because he simply wants to destroy our energy sector.

Why will the Prime Minister not just stop this madness and call a carbon tax election so Canadians can choose between a two-month temporary tax trick and axing the tax for everyone on everything forever?

Carbon PricingOral Questions

Noon

Central Nova Nova Scotia

Liberal

Sean Fraser LiberalMinister of Housing

Madam Speaker, these guys are all tax and no axe.

We can think about this: Last night, Conservatives literally voted to keep a tax on Christmas. We are moving forward with a tax cut to relieve families of the burden on the cost of such things as car seats, diapers, groceries, clothing for their kids and gifts over the holidays. What is worse, they are also talking about cutting the programs that families rely upon for housing, for dental care, for health care, which make life more affordable.

The Conservatives are going to cut programs. The government is going to cut taxes.

TaxationOral Questions

Noon

Conservative

Bernard Généreux Conservative Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Madam Speaker, for nine years, this Liberal government has been imposing inflationary taxes, creating bureaucracy that stifles business. Because of the unfair application of the harmonized sales tax, or HST, recreational vehicle dealers in Quebec are being forced to pay an Ontario tax on products sold in Quebec. The result is that thousands of jobs are in jeopardy and businesses are under financial pressure, all while the CRA will have to reimburse them.

When will this government put an end to its useless bureaucracy and stop penalizing Quebec businesses?

TaxationOral Questions

Noon

Compton—Stanstead Québec

Liberal

Marie-Claude Bibeau LiberalMinister of National Revenue

Madam Speaker, I am well aware of the file my colleague is talking about. We have looked at it from all sides. In fact, the process that is posing a problem right now is one that applies to every sector of activity in Canada. Making changes is very complex. In fact, we are having this discussion with the Minister of Finance. This approach applies to every industry in the country.

TaxationOral Questions

Noon

Liberal

Ken Hardie Liberal Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Madam Speaker, there is good news for Canadians. Our government has declared a GST holiday on groceries, snacks, and clothing and gifts for kids. They are all exempt from the GST starting December 14, which is an immediate lift for all Canadians as they celebrate the gift of Christmas.

Could the government share why this deserves support from all members of the House, especially Conservatives, who all ran on the idea in 2021 but turned Grinch last night and whose hearts are still three sizes too small?

TaxationOral Questions

Noon

London North Centre Ontario

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Housing

Madam Speaker, the member was a broadcaster in his community. He was well in touch with that community, covering everyday stories. He is well placed to raise this matter.

It is very true. Last night, we cut taxes for everyday people, for all Canadians, on many items. We know that it is an important time because this is the most expensive time of year for workers, for families, for Canadians. What do we see in January? Anyone who has worked in retail, restaurants or sectors like that knows that January offers a bit of a lull, but this offers stimulus. People will go back out there and get involved in the economy. However, the Conservatives are not—

TaxationOral Questions

Noon

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

The hon. member for Winnipeg Centre.

Indigenous AffairsOral Questions

November 29th, 2024 / noon

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Madam Speaker, the UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women has called out Canada's slow progress to end the ongoing genocide against indigenous women, girls and gender-diverse people. The Liberals are failing to implement the calls for justice from the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, failing to end forced sterilization and failing to address the overrepresentation of indigenous women in penitentiaries.

When will the Liberals stop violating the human rights of indigenous women, girls and gender-diverse folks and uphold international law?

Indigenous AffairsOral Questions

Noon

Sydney—Victoria Nova Scotia

Liberal

Jaime Battiste LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations

Madam Speaker, I think we all agree that we need to do more to address murdered and missing indigenous women in Canada. That is why one of the key budget items in the last budget was a red dress alert. We are listening to stakeholders. We are following the good practices in communities such as Nova Scotia, which is showing how to do this.

We know that we can do better on this, and our government continues to be committed to doing so.

Safety of JournalistsOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Christine Normandin Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Madam Speaker, if you seek it, I believe you will find unanimous consent to adopt the following motion:

That the House express its support for La Presse journalist Daniel Renaud, who had a bounty put on his head by members of organized crime. That it reaffirm that the work of journalists is one of the pillars of our democracy and that it must be carried out without fear of reprisal or threats to the physical or moral integrity of those who carry it out.

Safety of JournalistsOral Questions

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay.

It is agreed. The House has heard the terms of the motion. All those opposed to the motion will please say nay.

(Motion agreed to)

SeniorsPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Madam Speaker, today, I am proud to present two petitions in support of my colleague from Shefford's Bill C‑319. These petitions seek to put an end to the injustice, unfairness and discrimination towards people aged 65 to 74. One of these petitions was signed by 403 people and the other was signed by 91 people who support this bill, which I hope will pass because we owe it to seniors.

Verchères WharfPetitionsRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Xavier Barsalou-Duval Bloc Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, QC

Madam Speaker, I would like to present a petition on the Verchères wharf. I have presented an electronic petition on this same subject before, but now I am showing that we have real signatures on paper. I hope that the response to both of these petitions will be positive.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Madam Speaker, I would ask that all questions be allowed to stand, please.

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès) Liberal Alexandra Mendes

Is that agreed?

Questions on the Order PaperRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

Alleged Intimidation during Proceedings of the HousePrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

12:05 p.m.

NDP

Lindsay Mathyssen NDP London—Fanshawe, ON

Madam Speaker, I am rising on a matter of privilege as it relates to last night's proceedings. The appropriate letter was submitted to your office earlier this morning pursuant to Standing Order 48(2). I am rising at the earliest opportunity, having had a chance to review the statement the Speaker made earlier today, as well as to do the necessary procedural research.

We appreciate the ruling and the guidance provided earlier today, but I believe this matter rises to the threshold to be considered a breach of privilege and a contempt of the House. As was noted this morning, House of Commons Procedure and Practice states in Chapter 13, page 643, “During the taking of a vote, no Member is permitted to...make any noise or disturbance from the time the Speaker begins to put the question until the results of the vote are announced.”

The Standing Orders are also clear. Standing Order 16(1) states, under “Decorum”, “When the Speaker is putting a question, no member shall enter, walk out of or across the House, or make any noise or disturbance.”

This is more than a point of order. What happened last night clearly amounted to contempt. Even leading up to yesterday evening, there has been an escalation in the opposition lobby and in this chamber in terms of the levels of toxicity and unacceptable behaviour. On multiple occasions, this behaviour has been raised and has gone unaddressed. Even yesterday, earlier in the day, there were times during the votes when members had to scream in the lobby in order to be heard by their colleagues and staff as a result of generally disruptive behaviour from the Conservatives. As the final vote approached, we knew this behaviour would be intentionally escalated in order to disrupt the vote.

We identified this expectation directly to the Speaker and to the table. Nothing was done. When the vote did take place, even with an earpiece, I was unable to hear my name and the names of my colleagues as they were called for the vote. Being able to hear the proceedings is critical to my job as deputy House leader and to the functioning of this place.

Why were all of these actions taken? It was because there was a deliberate and concerted attempt to intimidate members on the basis of their vote.

As you know, Madam Speaker, the reference books clearly state that intimidation of members could rise to a contempt of the House. House of Commons Procedure and Practice states in Chapter 3, page 107:

In order to fulfill their parliamentary duties, Members should be able to go about their parliamentary business undisturbed. Assaulting, threatening, or insulting a Member during a proceeding of Parliament, or while the Member is circulating within the Parliamentary Precinct, is a violation of the rights of Parliament.

Bosc and Gagnon's text, citing Maingot's Parliamentary Privilege in Canada, Chapter 12, page 230, is even more explicit: “Any form of intimidation of a Member with respect to the Member’s actions during a proceeding in Parliament could amount to contempt.”

These actions are not just intimidation; they amount to a disrespect of this place. Canadians expect members of Parliament to debate and disagree vigorously, but we need to uphold a standard of conduct. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Chapter 3, states on page 135, “Parliamentary privilege holds Members responsible for acting in character with the function they fulfill as elected representatives. Disobedience to orders of the House, and actions such as...intimidating persons are offences for which Members can be reprimanded”.

The disrespect shown to this place disrupted members, staff and pages, leading to a toxic environment and an unsafe workplace.

As was noted in the statement this morning, I was on my feet immediately after the vote in order to raise this matter right away. I believed that I had your attention and would be recognized. My caucus mates were yelling for me to be heard, and members of the table were visibly bringing to your attention the fact that I was on my feet. As an officer of an official party, it is completely unacceptable that I was not accorded this fundamental right to intervene, and it did not end there.

After we adjourned, I approached the Chair to ask how this could have been allowed. As I tried to address this with the Speaker, Conservative members of Parliament continued to call me names, harass me and attempt to bully me.

How can I do my job if Conservatives yell personal insults as I try to talk to the Speaker? To be harassed and intimidated while doing a fundamental part of my job as deputy House leader and, indeed, a member of Parliament, is beyond unacceptable.

Finally, I will bring to your attention a ruling by one of the Speaker's predecessors, the current House leader of the official opposition, on December 6, 2011:

Demonstrations are not part of the accepted standard of decorum in this chamber, not in the galleries by visitors to the House, and not on the floor by members of the House. Even brief applause, which has been tolerated at times when a particular member rising to vote is being acknowledged for his or her contribution to an initiative, is never encouraged. In fact, Standing Order 16(1) states:

When the Speaker is putting a question, no Member shall enter, walk out of or across the House, or make any noise or disturbance.

I repeat “or make any noise or disturbance”. This role has traditionally applied until the results of the vote are announced. Clearly, sustained applause during a vote is out of order and should not happen again.

That is just applause, which does not even come close to what happened last night. The actions last night went well beyond the line drawn by the member for Regina—Qu'Appelle and, in my view, amount to a breach of privilege. They had an impact on my ability to do my job, on the ability of my caucus mates to do theirs and on the political and non-political staff who ensure this place operates in a way that is befitting of what Canadians expect.

I understand the Conservatives have had a bad week. They have spent the whole week justifying their vote against a tax cut. They were clearly unhappy and that was visibly escalating throughout the day. However, we are seeing a dangerous pattern, where acts of harassment are escalating. Gentle pleas and reminders are not enough. Members need to be protected in this place. What happened last night amounts to contempt of the House. I believe normal debate should be set aside as members debate what happened and how it was allowed to happen.

Alleged Intimidation during Proceedings of the HousePrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Speaker, on this point of privilege, I have several points to make for your consideration in response to some of the items just raised by my colleague from the NDP.

First of all, she stated that she was not afforded the right to intervene. I was here. What I saw happen was that the Speaker saw the government House leader, who adjourned debate. The Speaker chose to adjourn debate and debate was adjourned. Let us start with that. From what I saw, the Speaker followed procedure in that point. Now, if my colleague had wanted to tell the Speaker there was an issue, she had plenty of time to send a page over or talk to somebody and say, “Hey, we would like to have a point of order.” From what I saw, that did not happen. I do believe procedure was followed last evening.

Second of all, as you are considering this point of privilege, Mr. Speaker, there is a bit of the story that was not told. My colleague was talking about harassment. What I watched unfold after the House was adjourned was that my colleague who has just raised the point of privilege walked very aggressively and assertively toward the Speaker's chair and took a very aggressive posture at the chair. Another one of her colleagues followed. Then she and two of her colleagues approached, in a very aggressive posture, two of my colleagues who were seated. There is video evidence of this, which was legally obtained because the House was adjourned. We are prepared to share that, post that or table it with the Speaker.

What I saw, since my colleague raised harassment, was three NDP members standing with a very aggressive posture, almost with hands in the faces of my colleagues, who then had to de-escalate the situation. Mr. Speaker, if you are going to consider harassment in this case, then you also must consider what happened after the House adjourned with the member who just raised this. It was completely inappropriate.

I also want to say that this colleague was feted in The Hill Times for raising a pledge on decorum and asking parliamentarians to take the heat down. In that situation, she had the ability to show leadership, but instead, what we saw was an aggressive march up to the Speaker's chair. We could see the body language of the Speaker kind of holding back and then NDP members stood over two of my colleagues in a highly aggressive, highly conflated way. Please take that into consideration, Mr. Speaker.

Third, I fundamentally disagree with the characterization of what happened in the House last night. The reality is that there were, I believe, close to 100 members of my caucus, the Conservative Party, who changed their travel plans to stay here to express the displeasure of their constituents, many of them small business owners, who understand that what we were voting on last night is going to have a detrimental impact on their small businesses. Many of our constituents vehemently oppose what the government did last night.

If my colleague wanted to bring the light and not the heat in this point of privilege, she would not have ascribed a motive to us at the end. I want you to note, Mr. Speaker, that she closed her point of privilege with a very partisan remark: that Conservatives were only here to harass and intimidate because we “had a bad week”, because we were voting against an atrociously bad policy that, as the government has heard, has been derided by virtually every group of every political stripe as an act of desperation. The fact that she, in her point of privilege, closed with a partisan argument in and of itself belies that this is a point of privilege at all.

What I saw last night, which you need to consider, Mr. Speaker, is that there were 100 members of the Conservative caucus here who were standing in force, in terms of standing up for our constituents. Our expressing the frustration that people across the country are feeling right now should not be allowed to be whitewashed by a member saying her feelings were hurt. That is a breach of my privilege and my ability to stand here in this place.

I have a lot of respect for all colleagues in this place. I try to—

Alleged Intimidation during Proceedings of the HousePrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

Alleged Intimidation during Proceedings of the HousePrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Speaker, I am being heckled by them right now as I am making this point. They just said, “That's right you are.” Again, what the NDP members are doing is proving their hypocrisy on this point.

The last point I want to make is this. If you are going to consider this a breach of privilege, Mr. Speaker, then I need you to go through every instance that the NDP members have mercilessly heckled other members of the House. I understand, Mr. Speaker, it might be difficult for you to sometimes hear this. They are at the far end of the House. However, I sit over here and I hear it every day.

I usually let it go because I understand this Parliament is now at a point where it is extremely dysfunctional because we have the Liberal government refusing for weeks to reflect the will of Parliament and hand documents over. I understand everybody's frustration in this place, but that does not mean we do not have the right to respect our constituents' wishes and explain it as such. That is not a breach of privilege; that is exercising our privilege.

The NDP only had three or four members in the chamber last night on such a critical motion and they chose to support the government yet again, instead of fighting against disastrous policy after corruption scandal. Canadians want an election. If the New Democrats are feeling the heat because of their choices to keep propping up the corrupt government, then that is something they have to live with. That is not a breach of privilege; that is a choice for which they are facing consequences.

I will not stand here and have my motive and my ability to speak be questioned by the NDP because of its questionable choices. No precedent has ever been made by the Chair that suggests this is something I have to experience. I would just ask all members in this place, out of respect for everyone, to bring the light and not the heat.

So many matters in front of this place right now have material impact on the lives of Canadians. To suggest it is a breach of privilege to have to listen to others in this place express displeasure on behalf of their constituents about what the government did is wrong. That is not in the spirit of the place. If there is a ruling that suggests otherwise, I suggest that is a breach of my privilege and the 120,000 Calgarians I represent.

Alleged Intimidation during Proceedings of the HousePrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Mr. Speaker, with respect to the same question of privilege, since the matter has been brought forth, I would like to express what I saw and experienced last night.

As my hon. colleague said, we had just ended. I witnessed that the Speaker's eye went to the government House leader, and then we adjourned. That is what I saw. I also did see and hear the NDP member for London—Fanshawe come literally storming up to the Speaker's chair in a very physically and verbally aggressive way.

After that, when members were telling the member to calm down because her actions were obviously very inappropriate and unprofessional, she lashed out and attacked many members, in fact saying that they were intoxicated; this was to members who do not drink at all, for many reasons. It was very inappropriate.

The member then proceeded to come over to my desk. I felt physically intimidated. I hardly said anything because I was so in shock from what was going on. The member for London—Fanshawe, the member for Edmonton Griesbach and the member for Port Moody—Coquitlam came into my space, yelling at a colleague of mine, telling them to stand back, even though the colleague had not moved and even though the other members were actually in the space.

I feel that my privileges were infringed on. I have never in my professional career experienced anything like that with respect to the level of aggression and unprofessional behaviour that was occurring. I was quite shaken last night, actually.

Further to that, with respect to votes, I have been in this place listening, in particular to the NDP members, during many votes, being very aggressive, heckling and yelling “shame” very loudly and aggressively. We take it in this place. Now they are bringing a matter forth from what was a confidence vote last night. I have heard many of the members, for hours on end sometimes, saying comments that are completely meant to provoke and to make members feel like they are not representing their constituents. We hear it all the time from the NDP.

I am not sure whether it is because the New Democrats are just frustrated by the fact that they were in an agreement that was then ripped up. They do not have the same level of control anymore, yet now they are still continuing to support the government in confidence votes. They are in a situation that maybe they are frustrated with. Maybe they cannot conceptualize how they are dealing with it.

I just want to make clear that what occurred last night after we rose, from the NDP, was very intimidating. I was packing up. I got up and I stepped back because I actually felt so physically threatened. Having people rushing at a colleague, right in my space, coming right over to my desk and touching the desk that I sit at, was something I had never experienced.

Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I hope that you take that into consideration as you are working on the issue, and I also hope that you will really think about it. I feel that my privilege last night was taken. I should be able to work in a safe place. I should be able to come and represent my constituents, vote the way that I believe my constituents want me to vote, without having the level of intimidation that occurred last night.

Alleged Intimidation during Proceedings of the HousePrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a brief intervention on the question, to follow on the points from the member for Kelowna—Lake Country and the member for Calgary Nose Hill, who spoke well to the facts of what occurred last night.

Some of your consideration, Mr. Speaker, of the evidence can be found on the ParlVU feed, with the member for London—Fanshawe's storming the Speaker's chair. The Speaker, of course, will be able to attest to the volume of that exchange, which was after he had declared that the House had been adjourned.

For my part, the House was adjourned, there was a fair bit of volume in the House, and the member for London—Fanshawe made an utterance that was not true with respect to another hon. colleague. I requested that she apologize. The request was rebuffed, so I insisted on it. I sat in my chair, and the member for London—Fanshawe, the member for Port Moody—Coquitlam, the member for Edmonton Griesbach and the member for Vancouver East all came to my seat and leaned over top of me.

During the exchange, of which there are multiple videos that the official opposition can make available to the Speaker, one can see there are hands being put in my face, there is obvious agitation on the part of the four members and there are very few words offered by me in the exchange.

When the member for Port Moody—Coquitlam made a statement about me that was false, I simply said that it was not true. The activity continued until the Sergeant-at-Arms instructed the four members to disperse. While the four members aggressively and loudly were over the top of my desk while I was seated, they continued. I remained seated, with very few words offered in response.

During yesterday's voting proceedings, the Speaker will know that at no time was his eye drawn to me for disorder, nor was I mentioned as having contributed to any of the matters that were raised by the member for London—Fanshawe.

This is a situation where a member has raised a question about their privilege having been violated and about harassment in this place, when the same member stormed the Speaker's chair, which cannot be accepted; made a falsehood about a colleague; and then was simply asked, with no accusations or personal attacks, to apologize for the falsehood. Then there was a refusal; there was not a discussion, but there was an inexplicable amount of vitriol unleashed on me and on the member for Kelowna—Lake Country while we were seated.

We said nothing in response. Perhaps we should have said something, but the situation needed to be de-escalated, and I am appreciative that the Sergeant-at-Arms did what he did in dispersing the members.

The Speaker then returned to the chamber to speak with me about what had occurred. I was still in my seat, and the member for London—Fanshawe could be heard using a raised and aggressive voice outside the chamber while we were still inside. That is really important in order to add some context to what everyone was experiencing in that moment.

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure how you will rule on the matter. I can tell you there is a fair bit of evidence that members of the official opposition can provide you—

Alleged Intimidation during Proceedings of the HousePrivilegeRoutine Proceedings

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Acting Speaker Bloc Gabriel Ste-Marie

The hon. member for Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie is rising on a point of order.