House of Commons Hansard #62 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was billion.

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Budget 2025 Implementation Act, No. 1 Second reading of Bill C-15. The bill implements the 2025 budget, which the government says aims to build, empower and protect Canada through investments. Opposition criticizes it as a plan for higher taxes, higher debt, higher inflation, with insufficient action on affordability. Concerns include cuts to the public service, alleged corporate greed, and the elimination of the digital services tax. 52200 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives demand to know when a new pipeline to the Pacific will be built, accusing the government of delays, a carbon tax hike, and a "pipe dream." They also repeatedly allege the Prime Minister has conflicts of interest with Brookfield, benefiting the company over Canadians in areas like nuclear deals and space agencies. Concerns were also raised about private property rights in B.C.
The Liberals highlight their memorandum of understanding with Alberta, emphasizing an energy transition towards making Canada an energy superpower through carbon capture and clean electricity, while stressing co-operative federalism and Indigenous consultation for all projects. They link these to creating thousands of jobs, aim to diversify trade, and introduce legislation to combat hate.
The Bloc criticizes the government for abandoning climate issues to benefit oil companies, accusing them of imposing a new pipeline that disregards provincial powers, Indigenous consent, and environmental assessments, highlighting a record worse than the Conservatives.
The NDP condemns the government's bitumen pipeline plan, citing lack of first nation consent and betrayal over the oil tanker ban.

Financial Administration Act Second reading of Bill C-230. The bill aims to increase transparency by requiring the government to publish a registry of corporate, trust, and partnership debts over $1 million that have been waived, written off, or forgiven. Conservatives argue this will provide taxpayers with information on how their money is used, while the Bloc Québécois emphasizes the need for accountability given billions in write-offs. Liberals support the intent but raise concerns about privacy and the proposed $1-million threshold. 7800 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Vaccine injury support program Dan Mazier asks how much money has been recovered from Oxaro, the consulting firm that mismanaged the vaccine injury support program. Maggie Chi states that an audit is underway and that the government will consider all options to ensure Canadians receive the support they need.
Student grant eligibility Garnett Genuis criticizes the budget for eliminating student grants to private institutions, arguing it unfairly disadvantages students in vocational programs. Annie Koutrakis defends the government's youth employment investments, noting increased job numbers and support for summer jobs and work placements. Genuis presses on the impact on future students.
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12:50 p.m.

Conservative

William Stevenson Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, one thing that I find the government is supposed to do, as far as when I got into this goes, is help people out. Usually, helping out businesses to be profitable and give good jobs means making a good environment in our country for them to make profit.

We are falling behind when we compare ourselves to the U.S. There are different tax credits. We had the 100% expensing of certain items for businesses, but that has been reversed. We are falling behind, so we have to look at how we are going to make ourselves more competitive in this world against our fellows to the south. That is a very important part of this that we have to deal with when we are looking at how the tax code affects all businesses.

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12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Marilyn Gladu Conservative Sarnia—Lambton—Bkejwanong, ON

Mr. Speaker, one thing I have been hearing from my riding that I have not heard yet in this debate concerns the Canada pension plan and the fact that the government, in the budget, has listed it as a government asset. That is the money of Canadians. Canadians and their employers have paid into it. It is not a government asset. I am very concerned, as they are, that the government will feel it is its money to spend.

Could the member comment on that?

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12:55 p.m.

Conservative

William Stevenson Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, as I said before, the government is not operating with the same fiscal framework that businesses are required to when they deal with the CRA for their taxes. They could never account for a liability as an asset, yet the government has done that.

There have been a lot of changes to the CPP over the last few years that have made two different levels and added more burdens when it comes to the taxpayer, both businesses and individuals. The changes to the CPP have not necessarily been helpful in regard to what is going to benefit the program in the long term. The Liberals have made it so it is going to last, but they have made it expensive. That is the problem.

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12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Sukhman Gill Conservative Abbotsford—South Langley, BC

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to represent the good people of Abbotsford—South Langley, who are frustrated with the current budget.

When the Prime Minister announced that he would be splitting operating and capital spending in the budget, it was met with widespread worry that he would use the change to cook the books. The Parliamentary Budget Officer has now confirmed that is exactly what is happening. The Parliamentary Budget Officer confirmed that capital spending is “overly expansive”, expanding beyond the public accounts and international practice. Instead of following international accounting standards, the Prime Minister lumped it into corporate tax breaks and subsidies that “would not be considered capital formation”.

Also, the PBO found that capital investment spending was 30% lower than what the Liberals claimed, a $94-billion difference. He found that the Prime Minister will not balance the operating budget over the next five years, abandoning key fiscal anchors after already abandoning the previous one to reduce the debt-to-GDP ratio. The PBO found that the debt-to-GDP ratio will be even higher after the latest economic update, which means we are already on a declining trend.

Last year's fall economic statement stated a declining debt-to-GDP ratio was key to preserving Canada's AAA credit rating, but even Fitch Ratings has already warned that the budget “underscores the erosion of federal government's finances”. The Prime Minister fumbled the old fiscal anchor with a declining deficit-to-GDP ratio.

Even the so-called expenditure review notes there is a “lack of detail regarding the impact on individual programs”, offering no clarity on service levels, personnel or how results will be reported. Even if the budget somehow produced $50 billion in savings, it still has a $90-billion net increase in spending. That is $5,400 per Canadian family. For the second year in a row, the Liberals failed to table the public accounts for more than seven months after the fiscal year ended.

Canada remembers when the last minister of finance resigned in disgrace over the deficit. Why did the government celebrate the deficit of over $70 billion? Canadians cannot afford baby formula and are facing precarious housing, yet the government abuses their tax dollars further under the guise of shrewd investment. Investment has become a buzzword and is used to ignore the rising inflation of the government.

When facing such economic turmoil, the solution is to remedy the productivity crisis. We should not bury Canadians in more red tape. Instead of investing in a bureaucratic mess of weak government-led projects, why do the Liberals not allow Canadians to operate their businesses as they have done before? Our fishing industry, forestry industry, military, and health care sectors are all facing major setbacks because the Liberals are too preoccupied studying their own systems into failure. The cost of this budget is pushing Canadians out of this country and into the United States.

At the same time, the areas that actually need help are left behind. These areas are facing crises. We are facing the largest drug crisis in the history of Canada, but budget 2025 remains blissfully ignorant. Cutting funding to those who are most vulnerable will only make the opioid crisis cost more lives and our cities more unsafe.

Our federal debt has reached over $1.28 trillion. That is $1,280 billion, which is incomprehensibly large to the average Canadian. Canada will be spending $54 billion just to service the debt, which is equal to federal health transfers. Servicing the debt is now a core government function, yet money is still wasted on vanity projects such as the gun grab, which will not remedy public safety.

Over 10 years, we have witnessed budget after budget with ballooning deficits. The prime minister who presented them resigned. The man who replaced him told Canadians that he would be a reasonable guy who was more fiscally responsible. With his first, late, budget, he is not the man he said he was.

With a projected deficit of $78.3 billion, this budget gets us nowhere close to balance. It is especially hard to achieve balance or strike any meaningful deal with the President of the United States when the Prime Minister is burning hundreds of thousands of dollars on photo op travels instead of doing real work for Canadians. The Parliamentary Budget Officer has indicated that the GDP growth is stagnant and will remain below 2% for the decade, making rising debt levels unmanageable.

The new finance minister has now presented a budget that will grow our debt-to-GDP ratio rather than shrink it. Budget 2025 boldly claims to have the most ambitious housing plan since the Second World War, yet Canadians today face a housing crisis that is, by many measures, worse than that of 1945. Government-imposed costs, fees, taxes and delays are making up to 30% to 50% of new housing prices. I will repeat again that government-imposed costs, fees, taxes and delays are making up to 30% to 50% of new housing prices.

CMHC now warns that red tape is one of the biggest barriers to building homes. Canada builds fewer homes now than it did back in 1970, despite having the fastest population growth in half a century. Instead of clearing the way for builders, as previous generations did, the government layers on more bureaucracy and calls it ambition. The Prime Minister promised to cut development charges in half, but budget 2025 says nothing about that. He promised to incentivize private rental construction, but budget 2025 still has nothing. The first six Build Canada Homes projects have failed. Meanwhile, CMHC says Canada needs 480,000 homes a year for 10 years. We are not even close to 200,000. Young Canadians delay having families, careers and life itself because they cannot afford homes or find an affordable house as it is. It is not the Canada that we want to leave to them.

Budget 2025 fails all Canadians who believed in the Prime Minister when he promised to build at scale. Young Canadians deserve a government that works as hard as they do, one that cuts red tape, empowers builders and focuses on getting more homes built. Budget 2025 does not meet that moment. It fails an entire generation. Mark Carney told Canadians that he was a serious—

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1:05 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

I would remind the member again that he cannot use the name of the Prime Minister in the House.

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Sukhman Gill Conservative Abbotsford—South Langley, BC

Mr. Speaker, I apologize.

The Prime Minister told Canadians that he was a serious economist who would be trusted to spend less and invest more. Instead, his budget reveals less while costing Canadians more with the biggest deficit. We cannot afford the costly Prime Minister.

Conservatives will continue to hold the Liberals to account for breaking their commitments and fight to restore Canada's promise. In a country where Canadians work hard, they deserve a home with a yard and food on the dining table under a proud Canadian flag.

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1:05 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, as you know, the Prime Minister was elected eight months ago with a new government, and we are aggressively pursuing the building of homes. We are working with provinces, municipalities, other stakeholders and the private industry to get more homes built, and we will see that materialize.

The member also talked about the deficit. The reality is that Canada, compared to other G7 countries on a per capita basis, is number one in overall debt. We are number two in the deficit of all the G7 countries, countries such as Germany, Italy, the EU and the United States. We are managing the economy exceptionally well.

Maybe the member could explain why the Conservative Party is so reluctant to invest in Canadians.

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Sukhman Gill Conservative Abbotsford—South Langley, BC

Mr. Speaker, the truth is that this is the same Liberal government that has been leading for the past decade, causing Canadians' lives to get worse. There are so many Canadians lined up at food banks who are struggling today. It might be a new Prime Minister, but it is the same government. It is just a new face. We encourage this so-called new government to take ideas from our Conservative Party to make sure Canadians can afford to live.

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1:05 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister was in Alberta, where he announced federal approval for the pipeline project that crosses British Columbia and terminates at a deep-water port on the Pacific coast.

Yesterday, the Bloc Québécois asked the government a question, and the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons spontaneously answered yes to that question. The question was whether this project would get approval from the British Columbia government, first nations and the population—whether it would get social licence. He spontaneously replied that it would not go ahead without the approval of the British Columbia government, first nations and the public. However, it is clear that the British Columbia government is not interested in this project. It is against it.

My colleague is from British Columbia. What does he think will happen in his province?

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Sukhman Gill Conservative Abbotsford—South Langley, BC

Mr. Speaker, the truth is that British Columbians want a pipeline. They need it. They have been asking for it and are demanding it. The Prime Minister and the Premier of B.C. have their own ties going on right now. It is unfortunate they are not listening to British Columbians. They are not being the voice and the representation this country needs and the province needs.

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC

Mr. Speaker, my fellow colleague from British Columbia is an excellent addition to this place. I remember criticizing Bill Morneau when he was the minister of finance and they crossed the threshold of $1 trillion in debt. Fast-forward to several ministers since then, and we are now approaching well over $2 trillion.

Is the member concerned about the fact that the Prime Minister said he would spend less, and is now spending more money than what Justin Trudeau had in mind last year at this time?

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1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Sukhman Gill Conservative Abbotsford—South Langley, BC

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague knows that our country has been worse off for the past 10 years under the Liberal government. We need new leadership. We need a new government. This is something the Conservative Party is bringing forward, which would actually make sure we can bring a real impact to our economy here and be a good change for Canadians. Our Conservative team is working hard at making sure we can serve Canadians in the right way.

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1:10 p.m.

NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Mr. Speaker, I have heard a lot of talk about pipelines, certainly from the Liberals talking about working with first nations. However, after the fact, they are not consulting with first nations. We have seen that again today. I know the Conservative side is asking the Prime Minister to work directly with provinces to push pipelines through, without the free, prior and informed consent of indigenous people.

I am wondering if my hon. colleague believes in the right to free, prior and informed consent.

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1:10 p.m.

Conservative

Sukhman Gill Conservative Abbotsford—South Langley, BC

Mr. Speaker, I believe we need to listen to Canadians. We need to listen to what Canadians are saying today and what their needs are. I know we have talked about pipelines going directly from Alberta to B.C. and about what Canadians are seeing in those two provinces. We need pipelines, and we need to make sure we listen to what Canadians are saying to fill the demands.

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1:10 p.m.

Cape Breton—Canso—Antigonish Nova Scotia

Liberal

Jaime Battiste LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations

Mr. Speaker, budget 2025 meets an important moment in our country's history. It is a budget that bets on Canada, a budget that invests in our future and ensures that we will build a strong and resilient future. The challenge before us is to become less reliant on our trade partners to the south and to build from within.

I would like to start off by talking about one of my favourite words in the English language, which is “infrastructure”. I would also like to congratulate the Victoria Highland Civic Centre steering committee on its advocacy and work to ensure that a new rink will be built in Baddeck if the 2025 budget passes. The community has been sorely lacking over the past year with a rink that had been eroded to the point that it was no longer safe. During my campaign in the spring, I heard from many in Victoria, and especially in Baddeck, about how devastating the loss of the rink was to the community and what we needed to do to get a rink for the community for the local youth hockey program. It fills me with great joy to be able to deliver on this project for them. I want to especially thank the members of the steering committee, John Trickett, Jeanne Campbell, Terry Kelly, David Parkinson and Sandy Campbell for never giving up on the new rink for the community.

This rink is a perfect example of the kind of infrastructure investments our government is making. We now have a build community strong fund with $51 billion over 10 years, from small local community infrastructure to major infrastructure, such as hospitals, universities, transit, and road and water systems. On this side of the House, we are ready to build great things and keep our economy moving.

Our government is also investing and fast-tracking major projects that will focus on buying Canadian for Canadians. These are projects that are shovel-ready and shovel-worthy and that would advance our climate and reconciliation goals. One project of significance for Cape Breton—Canso—Antigonish is the government's Major Projects Office selection of Wind West Atlantic Energy. Wind West has the potential to power Nova Scotia and beyond with enough clean wind energy to meet our demands into the future. This first phase, with four wind power areas off the coast of Nova Scotia, aims to unlock 5,000 megawatts and could drive billions of new investments in economic activity across the country. Wind West is a project that shows the investment in clean energy does not have to come at the cost of economic development. We can invest in our future while strengthening our economy.

Another major investment we are making is in housing and homes. With the new Build Canada Homes initiative, there is $13 billion that aims to increase the supply of affordable housing through construction, financing and industry. As we endeavour to build houses faster and in greater numbers, we will build these Canadian homes with Canadian materials, such as lumber, to ensure that we are supporting our local industries from start to finish.

Restoring affordability to homes is important, but we are also working to restore affordability to everyday life. It is clear that the cost of living has increased in Canada, just as it has increased around the world due to climate change, American tariffs and the war in Ukraine. As a G7 country with the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio, we are uniquely positioned to make investments in our future and build a stronger, more resilient country.

Our government is also cutting taxes for 22 million middle-class Canadians, which goes a long way to help the residents of Cape Breton—Canso—Antigonish, and of ridings across Canada, to keep more money in their pockets. At the same time, we remain committed to seniors with our dental care program, committed to families with our affordable child care and the Canada child benefit, and committed to youth with a $40-million investment in a youth climate corps with green jobs that will help take on the challenges of climate change, not to mention the 175,000 jobs within Canada for the Canada summer jobs program for young Canadians.

We are launching automated federal benefits to ensure that 5.5 million low-income Canadians get the benefits they need without the complicated paperwork. We have also ensured that the children across Canada are not distracted by empty bellies when they are trying to learn by making the national school food program permanent. This program saves money for families and makes sure that no child's hunger is an obstacle to their education.

Budget 2025 continues the important work of advancing reconciliation. Our Prime Minister campaigned on a promise to spend less to invest more, but while other departments were asked to find up to 15% in savings, we knew that we had to protect the core services and programs that we deliver to indigenous Canadians, and that is what we did.

It is not only the right thing to do; it is also our fiduciary responsibility to ensure that we do not take steps backward. We heard from Indigenous people during the budget consultation process not only that we needed to invest billions in housing, water, waste water and infrastructure in indigenous communities but also that weather-related emergencies are more frequent and that the impacts of climate change required urgent investments. Fires, floods and hurricanes have impacted indigenous communities in great numbers, and we will be there to help them through these difficult times.

We also heard about challenges to our communities, when it came to health and Jordan's principle. That is why we are investing billions to ensure that we address the challenges within Jordan's principle, including addressing the backlog of crises and creating stability moving forward. Budget 2025 allows us to do that.

Unlike budgets in the past that captured indigenous investment on a few pages, the current budget has indigenous investment that is embedded and integrated throughout. It is embedded within the national school food program. It is embedded within the artificial intelligence budget, which can help us digitize indigenous languages moving forward. It is embedded in the projects of national importance that will help us build the strongest economy in the G7 by ensuring that projects advance indigenous interests with meaningful equity, meaningful partnership and meaningful participation.

I have heard the challenges during my lifetime from first nations communities, which have shared with me a great deal about how they are tired of micromanaging poverty. I have good news: Budget 2025 dreams of a future of prosperity for indigenous communities, through major investments in being multi-million-dollar partners in the energy sector, in building trade ports and in mining critical minerals that the world needs.

We invite indigenous nations to dream big and to take advantage of the $10 billion in the indigenous loans guarantee program and the $45 billion allocated to the Canada Infrastructure Bank, so indigenous leaders can manage prosperity, not poverty. I would encourage first nations, Métis and Inuit communities to look at the suite of tools available to make investing in major projects more affordable.

For example, last spring in my riding, 12 Mi'kmaq communities formed a limited partnership known as the Wskijnu’k Mtmo’taqnuow Agency, WMA, and borrowed $18 million from the Canada Infrastructure Bank's indigenous equity initiative to invest in a battery storage facility alongside Nova Scotia. The great thing about this is that they get the own-source revenues not only when the project is paid off but also all along the way; as they are making payments, they are able to bring own-source revenues back to their communities.

I have often been asked by Indigenous leaders how they can invest in major projects when the needs are so great in their communities. How can they make payments on million-dollar loans? This is the beauty of the indigenous loan guarantee program. The way it is set up, it works with indigenous stakeholders and communities so loan payments are balanced to maximize benefits to them.

When communities are given the right tools, indigenous leadership drives prosperity and long-term ownership. With the budget our government has presented, we are investing in housing, clean water, health care, connectivity and infrastructure so communities can thrive and prosper. The budget speaks to the north and to working hand in hand with indigenous partners to build a stronger future together.

I invite indigenous leaders to work together, to dream big, to create partnerships and to be partners in major clean energy projects such as the Wind West Atlantic energy project, the Iqaluit hydro project or the Northcliff Resources Sisson mine. Now is the time to build Canada. Let us build prosperity in all our communities.

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1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague spoke a lot about indigenous youth and other Canadian youth. I believe that if he really wanted to help, he would know that Canadian youth are experiencing record-high, 30%, unemployment. He would know that almost everything he has voted for in the government has made things worse for Canadian youth and that Canadian youth, both indigenous and non-indigenous, do not see a future. They do not see an opportunity to own a home, have a great job or get a great education.

Why should anybody believe a word the member says?

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1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Cape Breton—Canso—Antigonish, NS

Mr. Speaker, when I talk to youth in my riding, they are asking us to invest in a better future. They are asking us to help build Canada, and they want to be a part of this. They want to be part of the trades. They want education. They want our economy to thrive.

Confident countries invest in their communities and in their youth. Confident countries do the work that needs to be done to give those youth a brighter future, and that is what our government is going to continue to do.

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1:20 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister just announced that he is approving the construction of a pipeline to transport oil from Alberta, through British Columbia, to the Pacific Ocean. First nations in British Columbia are threatening to take legal action because they disagree with this decision. There is no social licence for it, unlike what my Conservative colleague said earlier. The Government of British Columbia also disagrees with this move and is considering joining the first nations in taking legal action.

My colleague opposite is a first nations member. Is he taking into account the opinions of British Columbia's first nations on an issue as critical as a pipeline that will cross their land to get to the Pacific Ocean?

How many bitter pills must Liberal government members be able to swallow and how many times will they have to betray their values and principles?

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1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Cape Breton—Canso—Antigonish, NS

Mr. Speaker, if the member opposite were to read the memorandum of understanding, he would see that what the Prime Minister has agreed to are certain conditions that would allow, potentially, in the future, for a pipeline. Those conditions are predicated on the fact that first nations have full, free, prior and informed consent in the project, and that British Columbia is part of the project.

I am confident that our Prime Minister knows and understands section 35 constitutional rights and knows the conditions required to build in this country. That is why we are advancing indigenous interests, and that is why what we need to do is continue to build but to build in a way that is respectful of all people.

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Marc-Aurèle-Fortin Québec

Liberal

Carlos Leitão LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Mr. Speaker, our Conservative friends keep saying that the budget spends too much, and whatnot, and that if they were driving the bus, they would have probably taken about $50 billion to $60 billion out of the budget. What impact does the hon. member think an austerity budget like that would have on youth?

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1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Cape Breton—Canso—Antigonish, NS

Mr. Speaker, I know that the Conservatives wish that Canadians had afforded them the ability to create a budget, but they chose the Liberals. They chose us because of the fact that we invest in them, in our youth and in our country. We believe in building a stronger country for all Canadians. When I knock on doors, not one person ever talks to me about the deficit or the debt. They talk about what our government is able to do.

We are going to continue to deliver for Canadians. That is why we have won four elections in a row.

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1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Mr. Speaker, the hon. member was concerned about jurisdictions and consultations, and supposedly about the environment.

What about the electromagnetic forces of the offshore wind turbines that impact marine life, as well as the electromagnetic fields? Are projects like the wind turbines not really about Brookfield? Is prime minister Brookfield not in this for himself?

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1:25 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Cape Breton—Canso—Antigonish, NS

Mr. Speaker, it was one of the plans of the Conservative Premier of Nova Scotia to ensure that we move forward with wind energy. It is what he asked our government to do, and we delivered on that.

Whatever stripes people have or political parties they belong to, they can agree that clean energy is the best energy for Canada.

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1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna, BC

Mr. Speaker, it is always a pleasure to join the debate in this place on behalf of the good people of Okanagan Lake West—South Kelowna. This particular debate is noteworthy, and I will explain why.

After 10 years of Liberal budgets under Justin Trudeau, this is the first budget under what the Prime Minister and his cabinet like to call the new Liberal government. Really, who could blame them? We all know that the old Liberal government frequently blew past its budget numbers and ignored its cast-in-stone promise to return to a balanced budget in 2019. The last Trudeau government was a full-on fiscal disaster, so it is no wonder the new Liberal government wants to distance itself as far as possible from the old one.

During the election, we heard the current Prime Minister loud and clear. He promised to spend less. Literally hundreds of times at campaign stops across Canada, he looked Canadians square in the eye and told them that he would “spend less”. Not long ago in this place, in his throne speech, he was sharply critical of the former Trudeau Liberal government for dramatically increasing spending and running large deficits. He condemned it for allowing spending to grow by 9% annually and told us that he would reduce spending growth to under 2%. That was a clear and unequivocal Liberal promise.

What are we seeing in this Liberal budget?

The Prime Minister, who advocated for spending cuts, announced a projected deficit of $78 billion. To put things in perspective, that is almost double the $42-billion deficit projected by the previous Trudeau government. I repeat: the Prime Minister who criticized his predecessor for spending too much and who promised Canadians that he would spend less is actually promising to spend twice as much. Honestly, who does that? Who criticizes their predecessor for their excessive spending, gets elected on a promise to spend less and then goes ahead and spends twice as much?

The $78-billion deficit proposed by the current Prime Minister is the largest in the history of Canada outside a pandemic or global crisis. It is an astronomical figure, no matter how one looks at it.

That is not all. Budgets, as we know, also outline future spending plans, and here the picture becomes even more alarming. Over the next four fiscal years, the “spend less” Prime Minister is proposing deficits that total roughly $265 billion. Let us compare that to prime minister Trudeau's last budget, which projected $131 billion in deficits over the same period. Once again, the “spend less” Liberal Prime Minister is proposing to spend twice as much as his predecessor, despite having campaigned on so-called fiscal discipline.

From my perspective, this is part of a troubling pattern. Guess what happened every time since 2015 that the old Liberal government set spending targets in a budget. It missed the mark every time. For example, in 2015, Prime Minister Trudeau promised modest deficits to fund infrastructure and invest in Canadians, followed by a cast-in-stone balanced budget by 2019. We all know the result: It was never honoured. The old Trudeau government created a fiscal mess with runaway spending.

It is easy to understand why the current Prime Minister criticized that record during the campaign and promised to fix it. Canadians expected a change in course, yet the budget from our new Liberal government follows exactly the same old path as the old one, only on a much larger scale. That is not what the Prime Minister nor any Liberal member of Parliament promised Canadians just a few months ago.

In my riding, I have met constituents who have told me they voted for the current Prime Minister because they believed in him. They believed in his promises. After all, bankers are supposed to be trustworthy; they are not supposed to make promises they have no intention of keeping. That, to me, is the real rub. The new Prime Minister is not even trying to spend less. In that regard, he is exactly like the former prime minister. It is not unlike in the movie with Alec Baldwin, Glengarry Glen Ross, but instead of ABC, always be closing, it is ABS, always be spending.

For all these reasons, I will, of course, be voting against the budget. Frankly, every member on the government side of the House should do the same, because they were elected on the promise to spend less, not unlike the elbows-up promise. However, that is a topic for another day.

In closing, I would like to thank all members for taking the time to hear my comments. It is greatly appreciated.

I expected the budget to be different. When the Prime Minister talked about the need to spend less, he made an excellent case for why he campaigned so heavily on the commitment. Many Canadians believed he would be the one Liberal Prime Minister who actually did what he said he would do, yet here we are. Again, the fiscal anchors are completely adrift.

The Prime Minister loves to say we should focus on the things we can control, but he does not follow his own words. He could control how much he spends. He could repeal the regulatory regime the previous Liberals created instead of drafting Bill C-5 to selectively manoeuvre around that regulatory mess. He has not done that. He could repeal the net zero mandate for electric vehicles, which automakers have said will harm their vehicle sales and their interests in Canada, but he has not done that either. He could repeal the industrial carbon tax, which makes Canadian steel more expensive and less competitive against steel from other countries that we compete against. However, he has refused to do that. He could decide not to finance BC Ferries' vessels built in China and let China finance its own shipbuilding industry, instead of Canada.

All of those actions would cost very little, yet the Prime Minister refuses to take them, despite preaching that he would rather focus on things he can control. Instead, he is choosing to spend money, and not just a little. It has been spend, spend and spend.

For these reasons, I believe the budget and the budget implementation act must be opposed, just as the Prime Minister argued during the election. We need to spend less.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, members may recognize that, throughout the debate, there has been a whole lot of hypocrisy coming from the Conservative Party. Members should think about it. The Conservatives and the leader of the Conservative Party inherited a multi-billion dollar surplus during Stephen Harper's government. They turned it into a multi-billion dollar debt.

If we were to take a look at the highest all-time deficit in Canadian history, it was actually when the leader of the Conservative Party sat in the Conservative caucus, back in 2009. If we then take a look at Canada's deficit, we are actually number two in the G7, in terms of having the lowest deficit-to-GDP situation. Conservatives have absolutely no moral compass at all.

I would ask the member, what has changed? Why is a deficit bad today, when it was good while they were in government?