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Budget 2025 Implementation Act, No. 1 Second reading of Bill C-15. The bill implements the 2025 budget, which the government says aims to build, empower and protect Canada through investments. Opposition criticizes it as a plan for higher taxes, higher debt, higher inflation, with insufficient action on affordability. Concerns include cuts to the public service, alleged corporate greed, and the elimination of the digital services tax. 52200 words, 6 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives demand to know when a new pipeline to the Pacific will be built, accusing the government of delays, a carbon tax hike, and a "pipe dream." They also repeatedly allege the Prime Minister has conflicts of interest with Brookfield, benefiting the company over Canadians in areas like nuclear deals and space agencies. Concerns were also raised about private property rights in B.C.
The Liberals highlight their memorandum of understanding with Alberta, emphasizing an energy transition towards making Canada an energy superpower through carbon capture and clean electricity, while stressing co-operative federalism and Indigenous consultation for all projects. They link these to creating thousands of jobs, aim to diversify trade, and introduce legislation to combat hate.
The Bloc criticizes the government for abandoning climate issues to benefit oil companies, accusing them of imposing a new pipeline that disregards provincial powers, Indigenous consent, and environmental assessments, highlighting a record worse than the Conservatives.
The NDP condemns the government's bitumen pipeline plan, citing lack of first nation consent and betrayal over the oil tanker ban.

Financial Administration Act Second reading of Bill C-230. The bill aims to increase transparency by requiring the government to publish a registry of corporate, trust, and partnership debts over $1 million that have been waived, written off, or forgiven. Conservatives argue this will provide taxpayers with information on how their money is used, while the Bloc Québécois emphasizes the need for accountability given billions in write-offs. Liberals support the intent but raise concerns about privacy and the proposed $1-million threshold. 7800 words, 1 hour.

Adjournment Debates

Vaccine injury support program Dan Mazier asks how much money has been recovered from Oxaro, the consulting firm that mismanaged the vaccine injury support program. Maggie Chi states that an audit is underway and that the government will consider all options to ensure Canadians receive the support they need.
Student grant eligibility Garnett Genuis criticizes the budget for eliminating student grants to private institutions, arguing it unfairly disadvantages students in vocational programs. Annie Koutrakis defends the government's youth employment investments, noting increased job numbers and support for summer jobs and work placements. Genuis presses on the impact on future students.
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12:05 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, my colleague is a fellow member of the industry committee, where we talk about economic growth.

The first question he asked was about expanding our conversations with India. We know what that has done so far. It has resulted in an increased tariff on our yellow pea products that we have been sending to India.

Whenever the Prime Minister travels abroad anywhere, Canadians get nothing substantial in return, other than higher tariffs or restrictions and barriers to access into other markets, while they continue to ship their products into Canada. Take beef and pork from the United Kingdom as an example. When the Prime Minister visited, we received nothing out of a deal except a 150% increase in U.K. imports into Canada on agricultural products.

Does the member want me to address the issue of Churchill? No. Okay.

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Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, I have been asking a few questions about what is not in the budget.

One thing that is missing from the budget is the $814 million that the Bloc Québécois was calling for. We wanted that money to be returned to Quebeckers following the spring rebate on a carbon tax that had never been paid. Cheques totalling $4 billion were sent out across Canada, except to Quebec and British Columbia.

The tax had not been paid, but it was reimbursed anyway. That is not a rebate; that is a gift. On top of that, to pay for the gift, $814 million of that $4 billion came from tax dollars paid by Quebeckers. That is theft.

Does my colleague agree with me that this $814 million should have been reimbursed to Quebec in the budget?

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12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from the Bloc raises a very important question about what is missing in the budget. There is a lot missing in the budget. What is missing is a pathway for young couples and families in Canada to be able to afford to build a house. Home ownership is missing.

Further to the question from my colleague from the other side about Churchill, there is another hollow promise in the budget that an all-weather road to Churchill will be built, but there is no budget allocation line for that kind of thing.

There are so many things missing in this budget. The member from the Bloc is bang on. There is a lot missing in this budget, and that is why neither his party nor my party can support the budget. There is just too much missing.

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12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Cheryl Gallant Conservative Algonquin—Renfrew—Pembroke, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the member worked in the financial industry prior to becoming a member of Parliament. Could he tell the House of Commons what would have happened to him if he had taken an expense or a credit and put it into another column to make it look like there was extra money in the account, instead of money missing? How would a person who worked at his institution be treated after that? What would the consequences be?

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12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, to put it quite bluntly, the consequences for an action like that would be immediate termination, which is exactly what should happen with the Liberal government. It should be immediately terminated if it cannot do what Canadians have asked it to do, which is make life more affordable, open up our resources and get our natural resources to tidewater through the use of pipelines and ports of entry.

In the financial world, when the dollars and the cents do not add up and the credits and the debits are not equal, decisions have to be made. The Liberal government has to start making some decisions as well, or Canadians will make that decision for it.

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12:10 p.m.

Taiaiako'n—Parkdale—High Park Ontario

Liberal

Karim Bardeesy LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Industry

Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to take part in today's debate on the bill before us, the budget implementation bill. This budget aims to build, empower and protect Canada, as my friend the parliamentary secretary so aptly described.

It is really important to have the context of this budget bill in front of us clear. We have a hinge moment of rupture in our trading relationship with our major trading partner.

We go to our different constituencies on weekends to talk to our constituents and business owners. I was in touch just last night with the business owners of the Baby Point Gates Business Improvement Area. What is on their mind is this rupture moment and how Canada will respond. They are looking for leadership, frankly, from all parties to respond to this moment.

As my friend and fellow parliamentary secretary mentioned, this budget does a really good job of making the key investments that would help us with this transition and help us respond to this hinge moment and this rupture we are experiencing today. There are some concrete investments in the long term.

Some of those investments are in the people who have been asking for support for some time. They are the people who put themselves on the line for our sovereignty and our freedom. I am thinking in particular of one of the single biggest major investments in this budget, which is the salary increase for the women and men who serve in our armed forces. Past governments were not as attentive to this as they needed to be. Canadians and the armed forces have said they need to be invested in. They need to be the people who are trusted to continue to defend Canada, whether at home or abroad, with some real recognition and some real investment.

This budget makes a really significant and important commitment to those people. It was unfortunate to see our friends on the other side, who have often spoken about the value of the Canadian military and military service, vote against that, but it was very important that we put that in the budget.

There are also tax measures to support the people who have needed it the most. I want to refer to a couple of them. The personal support worker health care heroes tax credit is a really important commitment that was made by our party in our manifesto. We hear every day about the back-breaking physical labour, often done by women, immigrants and newcomers.

In my riding of Taiaiako'n—Parkdale—High Park, the Tibetan Canadian community, often trained in health care professions, works as personal support workers for Copernicus Lodge at the different health care sites. Some are in the riding and some very far from the riding. These are people who put everything on the line for the people they care about, their clients and their patients, who are the most vulnerable in our society, but they are vulnerable too. They often have to work two jobs and go between different places of work. It was especially important that we recognize them.

I think everyone in this House would have recognized that work during the pandemic. After the pandemic, it was too easy for too many to forget about the role of these health care heroes and the representation they got from their union. On this side, we heard the call. I am so pleased to see that in this budget bill, we honour the commitment to the health care heroes tax credit. I just met a couple of days ago with a couple of personal support workers, Vegeta and Ellen, who shared with us the back-breaking work they do and their desire and their need for support.

The tax measures are also for the job creators that bring economic growth to our nation.

The good news about some of these tax measures and investments is that when the money goes directly to the people, we know they are spending the money, so when we make an investment in our military and the lowest-paid members of our services, we know they are going to use that money to buy goods and services in their community.

Some of the tax measures to build Canada, as my friend, the parliamentary secretary mentioned, are for our job creators. I am thinking in particular of the refinements to the SR and ED tax credit. This is of major interest and major use to so many small and medium-sized businesses in our communities.

Recently I met a constituent, Brad McCabe, who told me that the tax credit, while good policy, was not working as well as it could be. It was taking too long for people to find out about this tax credit and whether they would be eligible. As a result, the investments Mr. McCabe was making in his business were not being recognized by the government.

We therefore made the proposed change in the budget bill to move to pre-approval so investors have the certainty of knowing that there would be a recognition of their investment with a tax credit. We also proposed compressing the timeline so people would be able to find out about and receive the money in a more timely fashion. It is an important tax measure in the budget to support Canadians.

There is another part of the budget bill I want to highlight that I think is important to many members in southern Ontario and Quebec. It has been much talked about, and now we have some government action that is starting to move the needle. I am talking about the measures in the budget bill around high-speed rail. We know that the Alto project is a very exciting project that Canadians have been talking about for decades. There are some really specific and concrete measures in the budget bill that would bring forward the work, along with the commitment to reduce the timelines around the assessment of the project from eight years to four years.

This is something that people throughout southern Ontario and Quebec have been looking for. They have been saying that it is a really key part of our growth and connectivity as a country. My hon. friend from Peterborough knows how important this is. We talk about it as a Toronto to Quebec City corridor, but there are major places along the way that could also stand to really benefit from it. In this moment when it is so easy to be divided and for Canadians to be pitted against each other, it is a very important measure that in the budget bill we have some investments that are intentionally about connecting Canadians.

As parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Industry, I cannot help but point out that there are some very important investments in science and research in the budget. Other countries are pulling back on science, and even in the general public there is a growing concern or fear that science is not something we should be trusting, that discovery-based research is something for someone else, and that the really important work of diversity, equity and inclusion in science and research is something to be rejected. When this is happening, I am really proud to be associated with a government that stands wholeheartedly in support of inquiry in the hard sciences, the life sciences and the social sciences and humanities.

The current budget is the second of two historic budgets for science and research work and its community and therefore for the economic benefit that will come from that. In our 2024 budget, we brought forward major investments in the three major granting councils. Those are the agencies that fund the research done by our professors, graduate students and postdoctoral fellows, which in turn generates the life-saving and economic innovations we are all so lucky to benefit from.

In the current budget, there is a major new commitment around attracting international talent and identifying the best minds, the people who are looking to do science and are being told frankly in their country that it may not be the place for them to do science, that it is going to cut funding, that it does not like their political views or that what they are doing is political.

On our side of the aisle and in the budget, we very clearly recognize that work done in teams in pursuit of excellence and scientific inquiry is the kind of work we want to do in Canada. The budget makes a major investment in this, and we are looking for Canadians in Canada and people all around the world to be looking forward to this international talent attraction strategy. I am so proud to be associated with it.

I was at the Canadian Science Policy Conference last year, and the academic community from coast to coast in Canada has been raving about how well supported it feels. Its members are feeling more patriotic than ever, and they know that when we invest in science and research and in open-ended inquiry in the hard sciences, the life sciences and the social sciences and humanities, it is not just about the research; it is actually about sovereignty and freedom for Canada. They depend on a certain level of sovereignty and freedom to do their work, and in turn they generate sovereignty, freedom and economic benefit for all of us.

These are just some of the benefits of the budget that I am proud to point out today, and I look forward to questions and comments.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Todd Doherty Conservative Cariboo—Prince George, BC

Mr. Speaker, our colleague mentioned health care workers and our frontline workers, who, as he has said, seem to have been forgotten since COVID. He is new to the House and to Parliament, so perhaps he does not know the work I have done over the last 10 years in standing up for the people who stand up for us, save us and are there to heal us.

There is a bill before us, Bill S-233, that is the exact version of my bill that passed unanimously last Parliament and passed unanimously in the Senate but fell off the Order Paper because of the dissolution of Parliament. I wonder if the member would support a unanimous consent motion to have Bill S-233 pass at all levels so we can send a message to the people who stand up for us that violence is not part of their job description.

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12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Karim Bardeesy Liberal Taiaiako'n—Parkdale—High Park, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have heard the hon. member speak in the House about people in emergency services and health care workers, and I appreciate learning more about that specific bill. When it comes to unanimous consent, I know there will be many voices that will be involved.

I also know we have in front of us Bill C-14, which is a really important bill before the House that we were working hard to pass. I believe it incorporates many of the things the hon. member is talking about.

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12:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Côte-Nord—Kawawachikamach—Nitassinan, QC

Mr. Speaker, my Liberal colleague is talking about what he sees in the budget, but as we have said repeatedly, let us talk about what is missing from the budget.

Personally, I would like to talk about public servants. The northern bonuses are being eliminated. In some regions like mine, there is no succession in the public service, which means that some positions are not being filled. This prevents public servants from advancing their career and it leads to excessive workloads. What is more, a new pay system is on the way.

The government is also reducing public service pension plans, when in fact this is money that has been deferred. It is a salary that has been negotiated, so they are playing with collective agreements. We are talking about 40,000 jobs lost, and 15% in operating costs where cuts are being made.

How is that good news for regions like mine? I would like my colleague to respond directly to the people of my riding and tell them how any of this is good for the people back home.

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12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Karim Bardeesy Liberal Taiaiako'n—Parkdale—High Park, ON

Mr. Speaker, I get these questions from time to time. I understand that my colleague has public service workers in her riding. I have them in my riding as well. Toronto may be the capital of Ontario, but there are also federal public servants in my riding.

I also want to commend the work of the public service employees who prepared and published this budget. The bill presented here for our consideration and the work that is being done rests on the shoulders of public service workers.

To answer my colleague's question, our plan is laid out in the budget. In my view, this was done with a lot of planning and it took many years to create and implement this plan.

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12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Scarborough—Woburn, ON

Mr. Speaker, the member did mention health care workers, and the tax credit's being applied to personal support workers. It is something I have advocated for.

I would like to just find out from the member why he thought this was important and what kind of changes it will bring. I know the Conservatives brought this up as an issue. Why would they vote against something like this?

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12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Karim Bardeesy Liberal Taiaiako'n—Parkdale—High Park, ON

Mr. Speaker, I know that my colleague, in his work in Scarborough—Woburn and previously in provincial government, has been a long-time champion of public workers and workers who have a lower income but who do the most essential work of caregiving. The tax credit will return over $1,000 annually to the pockets of personal support workers and those who qualify.

I think that is a really important affordability measure, but it is also really important recognition, as the workers it applies to are typically working multiple jobs in provincially regulated settings or in private ones. We did it in a fiscally responsible way, for those who are looking at the budget tables. It was really quite unfortunate that the—

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12:25 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

Resuming debate, the hon. member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands—Rideau Lakes.

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12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands—Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is critical that we take the time to discuss, to analyze and to review what the government's spending priorities are and that we put it in the context of what Canadians' priorities are. What does Canada need?

There is an old saying, wishing someone a blessing that they might live in interesting times. Some say that it is perhaps a curse and not a blessing, but we certainly do live in interesting times. Having had the privilege, the honour and the duty to represent my community in this place for coming on seven years now, I have seen the effects of the changing global, national and regional dynamics on my community.

The beautiful riding of Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands—Rideau Lakes comprises 13 municipalities. It is a collection of stories of families and of neighbours, people who are the true essence of this wonderful country, the greatest country in the world, Canada. Like so many other people, they have forged their livelihood, forged a living, forged a community and are raising a family, having broken the ground and fed the the nation and the world with the products they produce.

It has never been for lack of ingenuity, effort or wherewithal that hard times have fallen on my community. Its people have an incredibly collaborative spirit, always looking to work together, and they are committed to lifting up the least among us. I truly think that the measure of a good, just and fair society is how we treat the least among us. How are we doing with that? As I said, the efforts that people in my community have put forward have been laudable, and I am incredibly proud of the work they undertake, but what I hear consistently from them is that the cost of government so far outpaces what we are able to afford.

Is that to say that everything government, or the current government, does is bad? Well, not everything is. There is the continuation of programs that have been developed in consultation with generations of Canadians that continue to be funded and that are important.

Could we do better with the allocations that are being made? Yes, we could. While that is true of all governments, none being perfect, what we see in the current budget is an awful lot of debt and deficit spending that are really beyond the ability of Canadians to manage. The amount that we are spending on servicing the debt is more than we are spending on health care, which is something I hear about in my community often.

What is the federal government doing in terms of resolving the health care human resource challenge we have? How much money is it allocating in health transfers to the provinces? What specific measures is it taking to solve the lack of access to a doctor or other health care professional?

It is important, as the official opposition, that we oppose; it is our role, and it is an imperative in our system. However, we must also propose. I encourage the government, as it seeks passage of legislation, to meaningfully consult with the opposition. There is a lot that ties us together. There is more that we all have in common in this country than we would disagree on, so why not have those consultations?

Why not take a look at the proposal the Leader of the Opposition put forward in the election on credential recognition, on having one system across Canada for personal support workers, RPNs, RNs, NPs and MDs in which their recognition, licensure and credentials are recognized across the board. Let us straighten that out. It should be the same for folks coming from abroad who want to bring their skills, talents and credentials to Canada to help solve our health care human resource challenge. That is one example of many in which we can offer constructive solutions to the government and look for it to collaborate with us on that.

Every dollar the government spends comes from somewhere. It is coming from the pockets of Canadians. We would say that some of that should stay in their pockets. Now, how do we do that? We encouraged the government to cap the deficit and to do more on cutting taxes. Again, we are not just opposing legislation put forward by the government on reduction of taxes, on making sure that we are able to work as one Canadian economy. I voted for that. I would not just blindly oppose what the government puts forward, but I do look for those constructive conversations on such things as capping the deficit and cutting taxes.

Where can the government save money? As soon as we talk about saving money, the cries go up that it is going to mean cuts to important services for Canadians. Let us look at such things as the more than $20 billion a year that is being spent on consultants. Is every dollar spent on consultants a waste? I would not say every dollar is, but I would say it is more than $1 billion, more than$10 billion. That is what the government needs to look at. It was exposed and laid bare with the arrive scam and with fraud in indigenous procurement, with companies claiming to have indigenous status or eligibility when they did not. That is one concrete example. My goodness, $20 billion would go a long way to solving much of what ails our country and could be used to support our community.

We need constructive conversations. We need a government that cares about our trading relationship. My community has two international bridges to the United States, our largest trading partner. More than 100 jobs from Invista, in Maitland, Ontario are going across those bridges down to Texas. Dozens of jobs at Douglas Barwick have been lost because of steel tariffs. Let us have those conversations. We need that collaboration.

We need a government that is working with the opposition to adopt some of the priorities we have put forward. The people in my community, like Canadians from coast to coast to coast, need a government that cares. I am offering that. I have offered that in my seven years of service, and I will continue to do that, as will my Conservative colleagues. I look forward to members' questions.

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12:35 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Mr. Speaker, I have actually had the opportunity to sit through a lot of the debate on Bill C-15, and I will say that this is probably one of the best Conservative speeches that I have heard today.

To the members' point, he is actually proposing some stuff. He has made suggestions, and he has acknowledged the fact that, yes, it is important not just to obstruct and to prevent, but to actually offer solutions. Maybe he should be the Leader of the Conservative Party, because we never hear that from the member for Battle River—Crowfoot, the Leader of the Opposition. Members should not take my word for it; they can just watch question period. We never get such proposals from the Leader of the Opposition, not even when he meets one-on-one with the Prime Minister.

Can the member explain why we are not hearing that from the leadership—

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12:35 p.m.

The Deputy Speaker Tom Kmiec

The hon. member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands—Rideau Lakes.

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands—Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am always happy to give credit when something goes poorly and take credit when something goes well.

In this case, as all hon. members are, I will be transparently honest. In terms of the good ideas I have brought forward today, these propositions, I am incredibly proud to say that the member for Battle River—Crowfoot, the leader of Canada's Conservative Party, platformed them, put them forward and offered them in a letter to the Prime Minister with respect to, for example, the size of the deficit or solutions for health care credential recognition. Therefore, we are going to continue offering those concrete solutions, and we look forward to constructive discussions with the government to implement them.

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Mr. Speaker, the member talked a lot about some of the needs in health care and how the budget fails to address them. He talked about credential recognition. Could he also expand briefly on how the amount of interest that we are going to be paying on the ever-accumulating debt of the Liberal government is going to negatively impact our ability to do what he suggests?

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12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands—Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, the preliminary figures show that the Liberal government is saddling every Canadian family with $20,000 in debt. With thousands of dollars per year in reduced spending power for Canadians, with rising inflation and increased taxes, this creates negative pressure at a time when we are seeing food prices rise 40% faster in Canada than in the United States. That is why it is so important to cap the deficit spending every year, set real priorities that address the concerns that Canadians have today and be very disciplined in what the government is seeking to do.

If the Liberals want to be good at everything, they are going to be good at nothing. We need to get good at delivering on the priorities that Canadians have outlined for us. Some of those things include nation-building projects, such as getting a pipeline built from east to west in this country and making sure that, when they are not feeling well, or so that they do not feel unwell, Canadians can see a doctor.

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12:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Côte-Nord—Kawawachikamach—Nitassinan, QC

Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier, there are a lot of measures in the budget, but there are also a lot of things missing, especially when it comes to the forestry sector.

From back home in Saguenay—Lac-Saint-Jean, to the north shore, to Abitibi, the forestry industry all across Quebec is really hurting. The government is not delivering help. There is no help in the budget, even though there are solutions out there. Announcements were made just yesterday, but they are not good enough for the industry because they are not in line with what it needs. One thing the industry wants is for the government to cover 50% of the countervailing duties until the crisis is resolved.

I would like to hear my colleague's comments on what the government plans to do in its budget and on why it is failing to resolve situations that persist in Quebec.

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12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands—Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Speaker, the forestry sector is incredibly important to this country and to my family. My dad worked in the business for his career and provided for our family. That should be an opportunity for generations to come. The government needs to continue to make sure it is challenging any illegal trade actions or illegal tariffs against our softwood lumber sector.

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12:40 p.m.

Conservative

William Stevenson Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, as a member of Parliament for a rural Alberta riding, and as someone who spent 26 years as a chartered professional accountant before coming to this place, I feel obligated to rise today to speak to Bill C-15 and to the government's latest disaster of a federal budget.

I am going to dive into some of the fiscal details of the budget, but I want to be clear from the start: After 10 years of the Liberals, Canadians cannot afford the cost of the Prime Minister. They cannot afford the cost of his deficits; they cannot afford the cost of his broken promises, and they cannot afford the growing cost to simply feed their families. This budget does not build a stronger Canada. It mortgages our future and leaves rural communities, such as the ones I represent, behind.

I spent more than two decades reviewing financial statements, and I have seen business families thrive, but I have also seen them struggle. When I look at the budget, one thing is obvious: In the business world, the government would never secure financing on this record.

Let us remember what the Prime Minister promised Canadians six months ago. He promised a deficit at $62 billion, but it is at $73.8 billion. He promised to lower the debt-to-GDP ratio; instead, it is rising. That is another miss. He promised to spend less, but he is spending $90 billion more, which amounts to $5,400 in new inflationary spending per household. He promised more investment, yet investments in Canada are collapsing.

These are not minor errors. These are fundamental failures in fiscal stewardship, and they are costing Canadians every day. That is the cost of the Liberal government.

Tourism is the heartbeat of many rural Alberta communities, especially in my riding of Yellowhead. With the natural beauty of Banff National Park and Jasper National Park, to the welcoming communities of Canmore and Grande Cache, our local festivals, rodeos, campgrounds, trails and small businesses employ over 8,700 workers in my riding, Moreover, 2,259 businesses in Yellowhead are tourism-related.

Tourism has proven to be one of the best returns on investment that a country can make, with research showing an up to 12-fold return for every dollar invested in tourism. I was appalled to see that the budget absolutely ignored our tourism sector. Rural operators are struggling with higher costs, labour shortages and shrinking margins. They are fighting just to stay open. The federal government had a chance to support them, and it chose not to. That decision puts real jobs, families and communities at risk.

Another area I was hoping to see addressed in the budget is regarding indigenous policing. I have been privileged to sit on the indigenous and northern affairs committee. We have heard again and again, week after week, that the government needs to step up and adequately fund indigenous policing in Canada. The lack of consistent, reliable funding is continuing to have an impact on public safety in these communities.

I believe the government really missed the mark when it comes to not including dedicated funding where it is sorely needed. This is a profound failure. Rural Albertans know this well. My communities rely on underfunded RCMP detachments that are already stretched thin. Indigenous communities deserve equitable public safety and should be supporting first nations policing, not ignoring it.

As a rural Albertan, a legal firearm owner and a hunter who has been a responsible gun owner my entire life, I need to address the impacts the bill would have on law-abiding firearms owners. What Ottawa is calling a buyback is not a safety measure. It feels as though the government does not understand our way of life, and it is reaching into our homes and taking property when we have already followed all the rules. Gun owners are licensed and trained, and we follow storage and transport requirements because we believe in safety.

However, the budget continues to pour millions of dollars into confiscating legally purchase firearms instead of putting resources where they actually make a difference, such as border enforcement, rural policing and indigenous policing, as I have already mentioned, and the government needs to address the root causes of crime. Bill C-15 punishes people who did nothing wrong while real problems go untouched.

For those of us who hunt to fill our freezers, who pass down traditions to our children and who treat firearms with respect, this is not just a policy disagreement. It is a sign that our voices and realities are being ignored. We deserve laws that target criminals, not citizens who follow the law.

I want to address another issue that, as a CPA for 26 years, is especially troubling to me: the government moving forward on automatic tax filing. Let me be clear. Conservatives support making life easier for Canadians. We support simplicity, efficiency and fairness, but automatic tax filing is not about making life easier. It is about giving the CRA the power to assess people's taxes for them without ensuring they get the benefits, deductions and credits they are entitled to.

The Auditor General reported that when people are able to get through on the phone, the CRA gives wrong information more often than not. Many Canadians already face reassessments and incorrect notices. It is naive to believe that adding another automatic system would improve in any way the service Canadians receive from the CRA. My expectation is that this change will only cause more confusion, more frustration and more phone calls to an already drowning phone line. Under automatic filing, the CRA would become both the tax preparer and the auditor. This is not service and it is not simplification; this is a conflict of interest. Seniors, low-income families and rural citizens would be the ones most likely to lose the benefits they should receive.

When the CRA makes a mistake, who do Canadians appeal to? We already have a system where someone is guilty until they can prove otherwise with the CRA. With this change, Canadians would need to appeal to the same agency that made the mistake, and likely months after the fact. As someone who has spent a career helping people navigate the tax system, I cannot support a policy that would put vulnerable Canadians at risk of overpayment and missed benefits. This is a system that would put government convenience ahead of citizens' rights.

I spent my career studying numbers behind government decisions and the impacts those decisions have on Canadians and their businesses. I can tell members this: Too often, Liberals have lacked the vision to see what happens with the changes they make. For example, the changes to bare trust reporting that were supposed to be implemented for March 2024 were meant to go after so-called rich people, but they cast a wide net affecting millions of ordinary Canadians. At the eleventh hour, after thousands of accounting hours, the Liberals cancelled the implementation because it would have had unintended consequences.

In the last few days, several Liberals have admitted to the cancellation of the UHT, or underused housing tax, which also had unintended consequences. They eliminated that fiasco. The UHT was supposed to target foreign speculation, yet it swept up millions of Canadians into unreasonable reporting requirements for no good. Once again, red tape for poorly thought-out legislation added layers of half-formed regulations and burdens. I can only say that thank goodness someone saw the light on this Liberal failure.

My fear is that this disastrous budget would not create prosperity, just financial strain on our constituents and future generations. The Liberals discourage growth, punish taxpayers and add complexity to a system already strained to the breaking point. What Canadians need is a tax framework that rewards work and supports Canadians.

After I listened to Canadians in my riding, my conclusion was simple: This budget fails the people it is supposed to support. Rural communities asked for affordability, for safety, for opportunity and for respect. Instead, they would be handed higher costs, more bureaucracy and a government that continues to ignore the realities outside major cities.

The Conservatives continue fighting for a government that lives within its means and respects taxpayers. We will push for a tax system that is fair, a regulatory system that makes sense and a budget that puts families, farmers, workers and small businesses first. Canadians deserve better, and the Liberal budget does nothing but disappoint.

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Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, it is unfortunate that the member has so much bias against the CRA. The CRA, if we do a comparison, is probably in the top two or three revenue agencies in the world given the fine work that civil servants do within the CRA.

The member took great lengths to be critical of the CRA's program to enable automatic tax filing. Nothing would prevent an individual from filing their own taxes. What the member fails to recognize is that there are literally thousands of individuals who would benefit by having the CRA do this. There are literally hundreds of people in Canada who try to encourage others to file. Allowing this to take place is a great benefit to communities.

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Conservative

William Stevenson Conservative Yellowhead, AB

Mr. Speaker, I have spent many hours on hold with the CRA. I have had a lot of frustration with the number of people reading off a checklist who have inadequate answers to the questions we go through. Even when we write the CRA, we do not always get the right answer.

I am sorry the member feels that I have little respect for the CRA, but I have experienced, for a long time, a lot of frustration.

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Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, as everyone knows, the Bloc Québécois voted against this budget and will be voting against its implementation.

I listened closely to every word my colleague said. There is something I have been wondering about from the start. We have been hearing a lot about how this budget wastes public money and does not spend it on the right things. For example, the government just extended tax credits for oil and gas companies from 2035 to 2040. Those tax credits were costing us all $83 billion, but now they will cost us up to $100 billion for an industry that logs record-breaking profits year after year.

Does my colleague see this as a prime example of wasting money?