House of Commons Hansard #73 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was c-16.

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Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Act Second reading of Bill C-228. The bill aims to increase parliamentary scrutiny and transparency for international treaties. Proponents, like the Bloc Québécois, argue it ensures a democratic ratification process by requiring systematic tabling, a 21-day waiting period, and committee review for major treaties. Opponents, including the Liberals and Conservatives, contend it would burden Parliament, create gridlock, and hinder the government's ability to respond to global developments, viewing it as a "burden without benefit". 8100 words, 1 hour.

Protecting Victims Act Second reading of Bill C-16. The bill Bill C-16 amends criminal and correctional matters to enhance public safety. It addresses gender-based violence by criminalizing coercive control and elevating femicide to first-degree murder. The bill also protects children from exploitation, strengthens victims' rights, and tackles justice system delays. A key debate point is the bill's approach to mandatory minimum penalties, which includes a judicial safety valve to address constitutional concerns, drawing criticism from Conservatives. 40600 words, 5 hours in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives criticize the Liberal government for Canada's highest food inflation in the G7, which has doubled since the Prime Minister took office. They demand the government scrap inflationary taxes and deficits, including the industrial carbon tax and fuel standards tax. They also address rising extortion cases, forestry job losses, and propose a Canadian sovereignty act to boost the economy.
The Liberals focus on affordability for Canadians, championing the new Canada groceries and essentials benefit which provides up to $1,900 for families to help with living expenses. They highlight their investments in social programs like childcare and dental care, and seek support for the Budget Implementation Act to attract a trillion dollars in investment. They also discuss public safety and support for forestry workers.
The Bloc criticizes the Prime Minister for rewriting Quebec history, specifically his characterization of the Plains of Abraham as a "great partnership" rather than a conquest. They demand he learn Quebec's true history and stop presenting alternative facts.
The NDP demands immediate help for Canadians facing high grocery costs, proposing to remove GST, impose price caps, and tax excess profits.

Petitions

Adjournment Debates

Youth unemployment and training Garnett Genuis cites rising youth unemployment and criticizes the government's plan to limit grant access for career college students. Annie Koutrakis defends the government's investments in youth employment skills, student grants and loans, and apprenticeship programs, arguing that these measures support young people.
Canada-China relations Jacob Mantle questions why the government is pursuing a strategic partnership with China, which he describes as Canada's greatest security threat. Ali Ehsassi responds that Canada is building stronger ties with a range of trading partners and defending key industries, while still seeking solutions with the U.S.
Canada's international trade and pipelines Tamara Jansen questions the Prime Minister's statements at Davos versus his actions at home, particularly regarding pipelines and trade relations with the U.S. Corey Hogan defends the government's energy policies and trade efforts, citing increases in oil production and ongoing negotiations to diversify trade, noting a new MOU with Alberta.
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5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Mr. Speaker, I wonder what my colleague thinks about the part of Bill C‑16 that says the government will address the issue of criminal organizations that recruit minors to commit crimes.

I have already suggested in committee that a person who recruits a minor to commit a crime should get double the sentence they would have faced if they had committed the crime themselves. Bill C‑16 proposes a way to address this issue, but it provides for a minimum sentence of five years, I believe. This approach seems a bit weak to me.

I would like to hear my colleague's thoughts on that. Should we not be tougher on people who recruit minors to commit crimes for the benefit of criminal organizations?

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5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I respect the position the Bloc has taken on Bill C-16, recognizing that, in principle, it is legislation they would like to see go to committee.

I believe the Minister of Justice was open to listening to the critic from the Bloc in regard to listening and potentially taking action. We look forward to the committee actually dealing with those four core elements of the legislation. There is just not enough time to go into great detail. It tackles gender-based violence, especially intimate partner violence, protects children from predators and strengthening victims' rights. It also addresses court delays. This is substantial legislation.

I would ultimately argue that if we want to serve Canadians and deal with the issue of crime and safety in our communities, and the important issues, such as feminine issues, this is the type of legislation we should be passing and getting to committee, where we could hear what so many others, including law enforcement officers, other jurisdictions, individuals and advocacy groups, are actually saying. They like this legislation and want to see it move forward.

The Conservatives need to get on the Canadian agenda as opposed to the Conservative agenda.

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5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise on Bill C-16. It is good to be back after the winter break. It certainly got colder. I welcome back all of my colleagues and wish everyone a very happy and healthy new year.

On December 9, 2025, the government introduced Bill C-16, known as the protecting victims act. The bill proposes reforms to the Criminal Code “to protect victims and survivors of sexual violence, gender-based violence, and intimate partner violence, and to keep our kids safe from predators.” That is certainly a very worthy goal. I thank the Attorney General for making an effort here.

The act includes a reclassification of femicide as a first-degree crime. It would criminalize coercive control, increase penalties for sexual assault, ensure better protection for sexual deepfakes and outline new guidelines on stays of proceedings under Jordan's principle. It would provide some new measures to assist victims. However, the bill fails on mandatory minimum penalties. Even worse, it misses a key opportunity to tell the Supreme Court that it cannot strike down a mandatory minimum penalty when it comes to possession and distribution of child pornography.

I will take some time today to talk about Bill C-16, the good, the bad and the ugly. I want to start by talking about child protection. Protecting our nation's children should be the highest order for any judicial or law enforcement officer. With the evolution of technology, and criminal elements getting more vicious and more sophisticated, the law must catch up.

Bill C-16 would build on a Harper-era child protection law called the Mandatory Reporting Act. It would redefine “Internet service” to clarify that the Mandatory Reporting Act applies to all types of Internet services, including online platforms, social media and other apps, and that providers with a connection to Canada must report child sexual abuse and exploitation material to law enforcement. This is important for operators that operate outside of Canada. The bill would also require Internet service providers to include transmission data when reporting material that manifestly includes child sexual abuse in the material itself to law enforcement. That is all good.

The bill would also centralize mandatory notification to a designated law enforcement body. This is fairly important. I hope we are not going to create another bureaucracy here. We should probably do that within the RCMP. It would be good to centralize all reporting of such criminal behaviour to one body.

The bill would also extend the preservation period of computer data related to child sexual abuse from 21 days to one year. That is very important. I spoke to an RCMP officer recently, and that officer told me about the chronic delays at the RCMP. While well intentioned, sometimes the RCMP does not have the resources to move on a matter quickly. The bill would require interim providers to maintain child sexual abuse materials for at least a year to allow law enforcement to catch up.

Separately, Bill C-16 would create a new offence of inviting a child to expose his or her sexual organs for a sexual purpose. I would be surprised if that type of criminal behaviour is not already criminal. It probably is, but it does not hurt to clarify that. The bill also proposes to create a new offence of recruiting a child to be a party to a crime. All of that is good; the bill would close a number of loopholes. I welcome the child protection elements of this bill.

There is another component that would apply to children and adults but would likely help a lot of children. The bill would amend the Criminal Code to address non-consensual distribution of deepfake images. It would expand on the offence of prohibiting non-consensual distribution of intimate images to capture sexually explicit fakes. Now, the bill draws directly from a Conservative private member's bill, that of the Conservative immigration critic, the member for Calgary Nose Hill, Bill C-216.

The government is welcome to steal Conservative ideas. Technology moves fast, and the law must keep up. Between AI and virtual reality, it is hard to tell what is real or not, sometimes. This technology is out there already. It is open source, which means that anyone can basically get it off the web and access it. There is no place where this is more dangerous than in schools. Unfortunately, sometimes schoolchildren bully each other by sharing these fake images. By the time a school catches up, those images are already out there and are being picked up and distributed by predators.

I welcome this provision of Bill C-16. It is long overdue. Again, I congratulate my colleague the member for Calgary Nose Hill on the incorporation of her proposal in Bill C-16.

I will move on to talk about the much-needed protection of women.

The bill proposes to define femicide in criminal law. Murders that meet this description would automatically qualify as first-degree murder. Those found guilty would get harsher sentences: jail with no possibility of parole for at least 25 years, rather than the 10 years for second-degree murder. This is not a new concept in our criminal law. We already prescribe first-degree murder for a number of criteria. For instance, the murder of a peace officer or a correctional officer would attract a first-degree murder charge, or a murder during a carjacking or hostage taking, murders committed during sexual assault, contract killing, killing during terrorist activity and more.

The definition of femicide would cover murder committed against an intimate partner. Over the last seven years, there were over 1,300 female deaths in Canada by intimate partners. The need to act is apparent, but this proposal is not new either. I am proud of the Conservative member for Kamloops—Thompson—Nicola, our public safety critic, since Bill C-16 essentially draws on Bailey's law, his Bill C-225, which unanimously passed second reading just last month. Compliments to the government for picking up another Conservative bill. This legislative change would have a significant impact on how the justice system treats violence against women. It would alter how cases are prosecuted and increase accountability for offenders. Again, I congratulate another friend, this time the shadow minister for public safety, and I thank the Attorney General for copying the Conservatives yet again.

On victims' rights, the bill is also good. I am often surprised by how little standing victims have in law in Canada. They have almost no control over the criminal process. Victims are not even referred to as “victims” or the “alleged victims” during a criminal process. They are referred to as the “complaining witness”. I watched this at legal aid in law school. The Crowns are too busy, and the victims often do not understand the law or the challenges. However, Bill C-16 would take a few steps in the right direction. It would entitle victims of violent offences to testimonial aids. It would require that victims in court proceedings be treated with respect and compassion. By the way, it is important to note that this provision should not cut into the presumption of innocence, which probably needs a little bit of thinking, because a defence lawyer must be able to confront an alleged victim and test their credibility. Nonetheless, every witness, and especially the complaining witness, must be treated with compassion and respect.

The bill would require authorities to share information with victims about the status and outcomes of an investigation. It is not unusual for a victim not to know what transpired with the charges brought against a person who offended against them. It would require that the time and location of relevant court proceedings be shared, giving victims an option to request and receive information with respect to a release of an offender, and it would require authorities to tell victims about their rights. This is also good. I thank the government for looking to highlight the fact that victims require greater participation in the justice process.

I will now move to some of the more challenging elements of the bill.

I know criminal defence attorneys who have made a career out of dismissal for delay by virtue of Jordan's principle. In the Jordan decision, the Supreme Court interpreted the speedy trial provisions of the charter and required that charges be suspended, stayed, if an accused had to wait for an unreasonable amount of time to be brought to justice, to face trial. The Supreme Court, in its wisdom, decided that for a summary offence in the lower court, the provincial court, such time would be 18 months, and in the Superior Court for hybrid or indictable offences, when the Crown proceeds by way of an indictment, such delay cannot exceed 30 months, or the charges would be stayed.

Bill C-16 includes measures to respond to a very high number of dismissals for delay. For example, it would direct courts to consider specific factors relating to the case's complexity. There are cases that are incredibly complex. I have witnessed a lot of white-collar cases that take a significant amount of time to investigate and prosecute. The bill may exclude certain time periods from the calculations that go into the total delay. It would require courts to consider alternative remedies before granting a stay of proceedings.

It is important to note that Jordan's principle already sets out certain criteria under which delays by the court proceedings are justifiable, so the bill would basically expand on these criteria. In 2024, 30% of sexual assault cases across Canada breached Jordan's principle. In Ontario, that number is 39%, almost 40% in the province I come from. Four out of 10 sexual assault cases are thrown out or could be thrown out due to delay. Notably, Bill C-16 proposes procedural streamlining for sexual offence trials.

This is no reason to absolve provincial governments from providing adequate resources in the courts. Too often, we read that there is not enough court staff or no courtrooms are available in the province of Ontario. Nor is it a reason to excuse the federal government from its failure to appoint enough judges. However, the practical reality is that provinces are breaching Jordan's principle far too often. That is not to say that the right to a speedy trial should be done away with, as it is a charter right, but the federal government is correct in stepping in to provide the system with some relief. That is not an unreasonable proposition. One thing I have often found odd is that delays incurred because of the accused or the defence team count in the total amount of delay. It never made sense. There is room for improvement of Jordan's principle, and I welcome further discussion about this at committee.

I think that is it for the good. Now let us move on to the bad: in the mandatory minimum sentences, the so-called safety valve that the government is introducing. Under the Criminal Code, mandatory minimum penalties, MMPs, apply to a range of serious offences. These mandatory minimums are designed to set the sentencing floor, a minimum term of imprisonment that Parliament deemed necessary for denunciation, deterrence and public safety in specific categories of crimes. In recent years, though, the courts have been striking down mandatory minimums under section 12 of the charter as cruel and unusual punishment more and more. That, of course, includes the Supreme Court up the street.

The Liberals frame Bill C-16 as a response to this line of jurisprudence. They are pointing to a recent decision by the Supreme Court, in Quebec v. Senneville. That is a decision from earlier in this session, just last fall, where the Supreme Court struck down a mandatory minimum sentence for possession and distribution of child pornography. What else do the Liberals do? They add a sweeping change by creating a safety valve. The valve would allow courts to impose sentences below the mandatory minimum when applying the minimum would amount to a cruel and unusual punishment. Effectively, this would convert a mandatory minimum from a binding floor to a discretion and allow a judge to statutorily disregard the mandatory minimum. In practice, it means that mandatory minimums would no longer be mandatory. While jail would still be required, the duration of imprisonment would be left to a judge's discretion.

In practice, that means that if a judge feels that the minimum sentence imposed by Parliament is too extreme, they can just disregard the minimum. This is outlandish. This would erode mandatory minimum sentences. It would result in lighter sentences for serious repeat offenders. The Liberals are doing the exact opposite of what Canadians have asked them to do, which is to take a bite out of crime, especially with violent repeat offenders.

Previously, a constitutional argument was required; a person could not just march in. They previously had to mount an argument that the sentence was cruel and unusual, but now it would be an automatic argument every time. This is not a political argument. This is a basic legal argument. It is common sense. The safety valve is a major concession to judicial activism. It would undermine the role of this Parliament.

This body, this Parliament, sets sentencing policy, and what is worse is that because of the wearing down and the ability to disregard a mandatory minimum sentence, the principle of deterrence, which is one of the key principles of sentencing, is lost. That is very misguided.

Now let us go from the bad to the ugly. Bill C-16 refuses to do what the Conservatives implored the Liberals to do, and that is in response to the Senneville decision and to the Supreme Court's striking down the mandatory minimum sentence for distribution and possession of child pornography. The Conservatives implored the Liberals to invoke the notwithstanding clause to protect the minimum sentences for the possession of child pornography.

This is not about the kids who were already abused, raped or exploited in these pictures or videos. This is about more kids in the future who will be raped because the courts failed to punish these perverts and deter future perverts. We have to go hard here so we can kill this industry.

What was the point of the notwithstanding clause? It was to prevent absurdity. When he was attorney general, Jean Chrétien used the clause to seal the deal on the charter, and he specifically used an example of absurdity that the Supreme Court could come up with. It was a hypothetical that Chrétien came up with that the Supreme Court would find possession of child pornography protected by the freedom of expression. I think people in this room, even the Liberals, would agree that such a finding would be absurd.

That is not the scenario we had here in Senneville, but it was close. He pleaded guilty to the possession of 300 images, mostly of girls between the ages of three and six being sexually exploited. Naud pleaded guilty to possessing 531 images and 274 videos, and in many cases the kids were subjected to rape and sodomy. I am disgusted by this. Striking down the mandatory minimum one-year sentences for either of these two counts is exactly the kind of absurdity that Chrétien had in mind.

I say this as an Ontario lawyer. This is precisely and explicitly what section 33 was meant to do. These criminals are monsters, and I am proud of the Leader of the Opposition and my party for pushing this forward. We would invoke section 33 to prevent the absurdity that the Supreme Court arrived at, but the Attorney General is refusing our suggestion.

That is why I ask my Liberal colleagues to do their jobs to safeguard the line and protect children. Let us amend Bill C-16 at committee to invoke the notwithstanding clause, to restore mandatory minimum sentences for child pornography, and to lock up these monsters who, through their actions, contribute to the rape and sodomy of more children.

I am thankful for the opportunity to address this bill. Let us do away with the safety valve. Let us really stand up for children.

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5:45 p.m.

Winnipeg North Manitoba

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, the far right has spoken. At the end of the day, if there is an issue with any law, they have no problem bringing in the notwithstanding clause.

Does the member know that no prime minister has actually used the notwithstanding clause, and it has been there for decades? Now we have the current leader of the Conservative Party saying not to worry and that we can use it any time we want. They do not attach any value to the importance of the Canadian Constitution or the Charter of Rights.

If the Conservative Party is so confident of its position, allow the legislation to go to committee. It is a minority government. Get the support that the Conservatives so desire to do what they want, but at least let the legislation go to committee.

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I specifically said that we should be fixing this bill at committee.

Here is something that I really do not appreciate about the members' remarks and generally his conduct in this chamber. I stood here for the last 20 minutes making a legal argument, not a political argument. There was no bravado or nonsense. I cited the precise scenario that was contemplated by the framers of the charter. I referred to days when I used to lecture part time on constitutional law and said that if there was a time that demanded the invocation of the notwithstanding clause, it would be this situation in Senneville in order to protect children who are being sodomized by pedophiles.

We have this manufactured anger from the member for Winnipeg North. It is not constructive to this debate, and I would ask him to behave himself.

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley Township—Fraser Heights, BC

Mr. Speaker, I am very happy that my colleague raised the Senneville case, which is very problematic. To my reading of that case, the problem is that the Supreme Court of Canada thinks that it can make up hypothetical, imaginary fact situations rather than just dealing with the fact situation that is in front of it.

Would it be an improvement to this bill if we were to prohibit that sort of rationalizing by the Supreme Court?

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5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, what I will say with respect to hypotheticals is that one can always come up with a hypothetical wherein the Supreme Court would deem a provision absurd. A first-year law student would be able to come up with a hypothetical that would make the situation absurd. What happens in these situations is that the police do not prosecute and the Crown attorneys do not proceed.

If we have absurdity, or not just no reasonable prospect of conviction but no need in process or conviction, it will not happen. How that hypothetical had anything to do with what was before the court at that moment, which was the possession of 274 videos of little girls being raped, and how it was relevant to the court's consideration is beyond me.

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5:45 p.m.

Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Mr. Speaker, I understand that my colleague thinks it is very important to pass these bills, which will help make our streets safer. I am referring to Bill C-9, Bill C-14 and Bill C-16.

I would like to ask him whether we can count on him and his colleagues to stop obstructing our work at the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights and allow us to adopt these three bills quickly, because we have a lot of work to do and a lot on our plates.

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, for weeks now, the Conservative members on the justice committee have been imploring the government to prioritize bail and sentencing, which Canadians so sorely deserve. Finally today, after this morning, the Prime Minister and the government House leader said that they wanted to move on with Bill C-14. We said, “Wait a minute. The Conservatives have been asking the government to move on with Bill C-14 for about a month and a half now.” Finally today, we had consensus at the justice committee, and we are going to be prioritizing bail for the next couple of weeks.

I look forward to a constructive debate and to fixing what is now a somewhat deficient bill by the Liberals.

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5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, I am glad to hear from the Conservative member that they are going to prioritize bail and that we will finally get the bail reform legislation passed. It is something that should have passed last year, but I am glad the Conservatives are finally letting loose on that particular aspect.

Now we are on Bill C-16. Even the member who represents Kamloops in British Columbia says that a safety clause is a good thing. He recommended a safety clause in previous legislation. Was the member from Kamloops wrong to have recommended or suggested in any way that a safety clause is actually good? Has the Conservative Party changed its position because it is trying to position itself on this legislation?

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, first of all, it was a safety valve, not a safety clause. I would recommend that the member study his own legislation. Second of all, I would ask that he respect all members of the House and give them due respect by not taking their own words out of context.

Here what is clear about the safety valve: It would completely dilute the mandatory minimum sentencing regime, it would grant judges discretion and it would codify the ability of judges to ignore the mandatory minimum. This is not what Canadians are looking for. This is not what the Conservative Party stands for.

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Mr. Speaker, that was a phenomenally informative speech. I learned a ton just listening to it, especially on the good parts of the bill about needed reforms within our justice system to ensure that victims have public safety.

Our shadow minister has made a recommendation to split the bill into two. Let us take the good parts that we have consensus on across all parties so the bill can get to the justice committee and can be studied properly and passed, and take out the contentious issues that are going to slow down the bill's passage and create issues. Does the hon. member agree that this is a good way to actually get public safety addressed for victims here in Canada?

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, I 100% agree with the member, and I agree with the Conservative justice critic.

I hope that the members opposite were here for the majority of my remarks. There are quite a few good elements of the bill, many of them incorporated from previous proposals by various Conservative members on this side of the aisle. Canadians voted for a minority government. They voted for us to have good parliamentary process to arrive at the right balance. We already had good precedents for this. Conservatives took a principled opposition to Bill C-2, which infringed on constitutional freedoms and gave us a lot of cause for concern. The House leaders got together, and the Liberals agreed to separate the bill. The bill before us should probably follow the same course, which would help us get it through faster or let us fix the bill quickly.

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5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Speaker, just to be very clear on the issue, does the member believe that the second reading of the legislation should allow it to go to committee sooner as opposed to later so Canadians would be able to see it and the member would be able to present his arguments at the committee stage?

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5:50 p.m.

Conservative

Roman Baber Conservative York Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, today is the first day of debate on the bill. It was introduced during the last week of the sitting of the current Parliament in 2025. There are some good elements to the bill, but Conservatives have serious reservations with respect to the safety valve and the effective elimination of mandatory minimum sentences. Right now, if someone wants to challenge a law as cruel and unusual, they bring a constitutional charter application. The bill would do that automatically and dilute the mandatory minimum sentence. Let us have a thoughtful discussion about what we want to do here.

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5:55 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the member for London West.

First, I would like to offer my best wishes for a happy new year to all my colleagues in the House and especially to all my constituents in Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, whom I proudly represent, whether they are from Deux-Montagnes, Saint-Eustache, Boisbriand or Rosemère. I would like to wish everyone a safe and healthy 2026, and if possible, I would love for us to achieve world peace, so that everything going on around us could calm down somewhat.

I rise today as a member of Parliament, but also as chair of the Liberal women's caucus, to express my strong support for Bill C-16, the protecting victims act. This bill is ambitious. It is necessary. Above all, it is deeply rooted in the lived reality of too many women, too many children and too many survivors in this country.

For a long time, our criminal law has been designed to intervene after the fact, after the blows, after the attack, after the tragedy, sometimes even after death. Bill C-16 marks a fundamental change. It finally recognizes what survivors, advocates and experts have been telling us for years: Violence does not always begin with physical harm; it often begins with control, fear and isolation.

Coercive control is an insidious form of violence. It does not always leave visible marks. It sets in slowly. It is exercised through hurtful words, monitoring, humiliation, financial restriction, and implicit or explicit threats, yet it is one of the strongest predictors of serious violence and femicide.

Women told us that they did not recognize their own lives, that they had to ask permission to see their families. Can my colleagues imagine being forced to ask permission to see their families? These women told us that they no longer had access to their money, that they lived in constant fear without any clear criminal offence that could be invoked. Until now, the Criminal Code has not had the tools to address this reality. Bill C-16 corrects that.

By creating a specific offence relating to coercive or controlling conduct in the context of an intimate relationship, our government is sending a clear message: This type of violence is real, it is serious and it deserves a serious criminal response. Let me be clear. This offence is carefully worded. It requires a pattern of behaviour and clear intent, and it takes into account the power imbalance within the relationship. It is aimed at protecting victims, not criminalizing them. It is a preventive measure, an early intervention measure, a measure that can save lives.

Bill C‑16 also recognizes a painful reality. Too often, when the violence culminates in death, the justice system fails to name what actually happened. When a homicide is committed in a context of coercive control, sexual violence, exploitation or hate, it is not an isolated incident. It is the culmination of ongoing violence.

Bill C‑16 now recognizes these homicides as the most serious crimes. It elevates these murders to first-degree murder. It also requires the courts to consider imposing a life sentence if manslaughter is committed those circumstances. For victims' families, this legal recognition has been a long time coming.

The bill also modernizes our response to contemporary forms of violence. It includes intimate images generated by artificial intelligence. These sexual deepfakes are used to humiliate, control and extort victims. The problem disproportionately affects women and girls.

As chair of the Liberal women's caucus, I also want to point out that this bill is not limited to gender-based violence. It also strengthens protections for children against sexual exploitation, online grooming and sextortion. Predators use sophisticated technology these days. Our criminal law must keep pace. The bill restores mandatory minimum penalties for the most serious sexual offences committed against children, while providing a judicial safety valve to ensure charter compliance.

Bill C-16 clearly affirms the right of victims to be treated with dignity, respect and compassion. It improves access to information, expands access to testimonial aids, and recognizes the right of victims to participate fully in a process that concerns them.

Finally, this bill addresses another major problem: court delays. Too many serious cases are being dropped. Too many survivors look on while their cases collapse, not because the violence was not real, but because the system did not act fast enough. Bill C-16 requires the courts to consider alternatives before ordering a stay of proceedings. It simplifies certain rules of evidence and endeavours to restore public trust in our justice system.

This bill is the outcome of consultations, expertise and testimony. It is supported by women's rights organizations, child protection groups, police forces and several provinces. This bill represents a major step forward. Most importantly, it sends an essential message to victims: We believe them, we see them and we are taking action.

On behalf of the Liberal women's caucus, I support Bill C-16, and I encourage all parliamentarians to do the same.

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6 p.m.

Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley Township—Fraser Heights, BC

Mr. Speaker, this bill addresses, in part, the shocking rise of intimate partner violence in Canada and it introduces the concept of femicide, which is the murder of a woman in the context of an intimate partner violent crime. Effectively, what that would do is classify any murder, whether it was manslaughter or second-degree murder, as first-degree murder if it were done in the context of intimate partner violence. I wonder if our colleague would have any comment on whether that would survive the inevitable charter challenge in the first case before the courts.

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6 p.m.

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, this is a subject we have discussed many times. Intimate partner violence is one of our priorities. As I explained earlier, there are many coercive behaviours that tend to be seen before a femicide occurs. There are many measures that can be put in place regarding the intimate partner who is using psychological violence in the context of coercive control. Violence also includes preventing women from accessing their financial resources.

Say a woman is trapped in a domestic violence situation. She has children and cannot just leave home. She has no resources. If she is killed, it would be first-degree murder. Several steps have already been taken by that point. When the intimate partner takes that drastic step, the least we can do is ensure that he is charged with first-degree murder.

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6 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Deschênes Bloc Gaspésie—Les Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Listuguj, QC

Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish my colleague a happy new year and a happy return to Parliament. Let us talk a bit about femicide, because the start of the year has been tragic. There have been several femicides, in Quebec at least. This bill will impose harsher sentences and make it possible to charge those who commit these heinous crimes with first-degree murder.

Can my colleague tell us what this wave of femicides means to her? How can we come up with solutions together to work proactively to reduce violence against women?

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Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, since January 1, there have been four femicides in Quebec, and nine in total in Canada. It is unacceptable that we live in a country where women and girls experience this violence. It has been proven and studied: There are several stages leading up to femicide. Ultimately, there is a kind of inner anger for which no solution has been found.

Since my colleague asked me the question, I would like to know whether the Bloc Québécois will support making coercive control a criminal offence. This will allow for much earlier intervention in cases of intimate partner violence.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Mr. Speaker, the member has been a very powerful advocate through the women's caucus, and I applaud that.

In terms of femicide being elevated to first-degree murder, that is something relatively unique here in Canada. Could the member provide her thoughts on how Canada could play an important role, setting an example?

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Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question, and I am very pleased to be back here in the House with my colleagues.

Elevating femicide to first-degree murder also allows us to set an international example, particularly for democratic countries with justice systems similar to ours. I will say it again: it is unacceptable for this to be considered an ordinary murder. The victims' families must also be supported during the process. This is important if we want them to be able to find some semblance of peace in their lives.

I will continue if there is time.

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Liberal

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to rise in the House again as the member of Parliament for London West. I want to wish all members a happy new year and wish my colleagues a very successful session as they return to represent those who sent them here.

It is a great honour and opportunity for me to speak to Bill C-16, the protecting victims act, and the government's ongoing efforts to protect children and ensure that child sexual exploitation is unequivocally denounced, deterred and prevented. Protecting children and standing firmly with victims are among the most fundamental responsibilities of Parliament. Canadians expect a justice system that sends a clear message that sexual exploitation will not be tolerated, that victims will be protected, and that those who cause serious harm will face serious consequences. Bill C-16, the protecting victims act, reflects the government's commitment to ensuring our criminal law is strong, principled and capable of meeting this responsibility.

In particular, I will focus on Bill C-16's proposed reforms that address mandatory minimum penalties, or MMPs, in the Criminal Code.

To set the stage, when an offence is punishable by an MMP, it means that, absent an explicit statutory exception, a judge cannot impose a sentence that is lower than the prescribed minimum penalty, regardless of the circumstances. They can impose a longer sentence, but not a shorter one, so MMPs are the subject of a fierce debate. Some stakeholders support them for offering a clear denunciation for serious offences. Others, in other circumstances, have criticized them as potentially being an unfair limit on judicial discretion in sentencing, which can result in significantly harsher sentences for some offenders.

In particular, MMPs have raised the most concerns when they are attached to offences that apply to a wide range of conduct or circumstances. In such a scenario, a lengthy MMP can apply to conduct that involves relatively little risk to the public or lower moral blameworthiness. Because of this, MMPs are constitutionally vulnerable under section 12 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which protects against cruel and unusual treatment or punishment, because they can result in what are called “grossly disproportionate sentences”. Gross disproportionality is a high threshold and has been described by the courts as being “merely excessive” or “disproportionate”. It must outrage our society's sense of decency, such that Canadians would find it abhorrent and intolerable.

Over the years, MMPs have been declared unconstitutional by the courts across Canada on this basis. Most of the MMPs invalidated to date are for child sexual offences, including those struck down by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Senneville case or the Bertrand Marchand case. In both of these cases I just mentioned, the Supreme Court struck the MMPs down on the basis of a reasonably foreseeable scenario, meaning that the court considers whether the penalty is unconstitutional because of its effect on hypothetical offenders, not the actual offender before the court. In many cases, the court finds that proportionate sentences for the offender before them should be equal to or more than the MMP, but many MMPs are struck on the basis of a hypothetical offender whose conduct is captured by a broad offence but falls at the low end of risk regarding public moral fault. Because of this potential for a grossly disproportionate sentence, the court must find these penalties to be of no force or no effect.

Most recently, following the Senate bill decision, significant concerns have been raised by stakeholders across Canada and the public about the inability of Parliament to denounce and deter some of these more serious offences using MMPs. The government agrees, which is why we are taking decisive and immediate action by proposing reforms to Bill C-16. These changes are going to address this issue by amending the Criminal Code to restore the MMPs that have been found unconstitutional by the courts.

They would do this by enacting a provision that would give judges the discretion to order a sentence of imprisonment lower than the statutory MMP in very narrow situations. It is expected that, in most cases, the stated MMP would still be applied. However, if a court is sentencing an offender for whom the mandatory penalty would be a grossly disproportionate punishment, the court would not need to impose the stated MMP, nor would it have to find the MMP unconstitutional.

It is important to emphasize that even though an individual may not be subject to a specific MMP, it is only in exceptional cases. In every case, the judge will still be required to impose a sentence of imprisonment.

Some people have raised questions about this, arguing that it does not reflect the guidance of the Supreme Court of Canada. I respectfully disagree. Requiring the imposition of a jail sentence in all cases would not only, in my view, create a risk of grossly disproportionate sentences, for the reasons I discussed earlier, including the fact that this standard is significant. Maintaining this aspect does something important; it excludes the option of a conditional sentence order for these very serious offences.

In my view, the proposed approach aims to strike an essential balance. We are aiming to ensure that courts impose serious consequences for serious offences, particularly those that harm our children and our communities, and to also ensure that judicial discretion is available for those exceptional cases that warrant lower sentences. I would also add that this approach is responsive both to requests from stakeholders and to suggestions that have been repeatedly made by the courts, including the Supreme Court of Canada, which suggested that such a judicial discretion clause could resolve most of the constitutional challenges associated with MMPs.

In making these comments, the Supreme Court made it clear that there would be only one requirement for such provisions: that it allow for a lower sentence where a specific MMP would violate the charter. This guidance is clearly reflected in the proposed amendments, and I am confident that they are a sound approach to maintaining appropriate MMPs while offering flexibility.

I would like to spend the remainder of my time elaborating on how the enactment of the judicial discretion clause would apply to existing MMPs. If Bill C-16 comes into force, by operation of the common law, all MMPs that had been found unconstitutional but that remain on the federal statute book would be considered restored. This would include recently invalidated MMPs for the possession of child sexual abuse and exploitation material, among many others. In addition, to ensure that this point is clearly understood by the legal community and the public, clause 87 of the bill provides that, for greater certainty, following the enactment of the judicial discretion clause, the operation of the existing minimum punishments would also be affirmed.

In practice, as a result of the proposed amendments, the courts would once again be required to impose MMPs for all offences where that penalty has not been repealed from the law, except in the rarest of cases where the MMP would result in cruel and unusual punishment for the offender before the court. This would enable Parliament to ensure that serious offences resulting in significant harm to victims and communities continue to attract severe sentences, while allowing courts to avoid imposing disproportionate punishments in exceptional cases.

I firmly believe that all members of the House can agree that this approach represents a sound compromise to ensure that a vast majority of MMPs remain available and actionable by the courts. In my view, this approach represents a positive evolution of the law that ensures that our legal frameworks remain effective and responsive to the concerns of the day.

In closing, I would like to highlight that the approach of Bill C-16 would complement the sentencing reforms proposed by our government in Bill C-14, the bail and sentencing reform act. Taken together, Bill C-14 and Bill C-16 reflect a clear and deliberate choice by the government to strengthen sentencing laws, protecting children and ensuring that the people who commit serious sexual offences face real, meaningful consequences.

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Conservative

Tako Van Popta Conservative Langley Township—Fraser Heights, BC

Mr. Speaker, my hon. colleague talked quite a bit about mandatory minimums and addressing the concern that our courts have had, particularly the Supreme Court of Canada, in declaring mandatory minimum penalties to be unconstitutional, contrary to section 12 of the charter. The problem we are facing is that courts have recently come out with the concept of hypothetical fact scenarios. Rather than dealing with the facts in front of them, they conjure up a hypothetical fact scenario and judge the constitutionality of the legislation against that hypothetical fact scenario.

If Bill C-16 is an improvement, should it prohibit judges from being able to use hypothetical fact scenarios?

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Liberal

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Mr. Speaker, I will comment on the fact that whether they are hypothetical or not, we should deal with them. This is what Bill C-16 is offering, which is that we deal with the issue at hand. It is a solution, and it is what I think the courts and Canadians would want us to do.

I would put a question back to the member opposite: What would he propose that we do better in this situation?