House of Commons Hansard #86 of the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was vessel.

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Bail and Sentencing Reform Act Report stage of Bill C-14. The bill aims to amend the Criminal Code, Youth Criminal Justice Act, and National Defence Act regarding bail and sentencing. The Liberal Party supports it, stating it strengthens bail rules for repeat violent offenders and serious crimes. The Conservative Party argues it doesn't go far enough, calling for stricter penalties and prioritizing public safety. The NDP opposes the bill, claiming it is a "knee-jerk reaction" that deepens inequality. The Bloc Québécois will vote for it but criticizes the rushed legislative process. 10100 words, 1 hour in 2 segments: 1 2.

Statements by Members

Question Period

The Conservatives emphasize the fading dream of home ownership for young Canadians, proposing to remove the GST on all new homes to counter declining housing starts. They also criticize the government's handling of canola tariffs with China, highlight job losses, and the rising cost of food amidst calls for better economic management.
The Liberals focus on housing affordability, promoting the Build Canada Homes Act and municipal infrastructure investments to accelerate construction and reduce regulatory red tape. They highlight the groceries and essentials benefit, efforts to resume canola trade with China, and the bail and sentencing reform act, while urging support for the budget implementation act.
The Bloc calls for an independent public inquiry into the Cúram software's $5-billion cost overruns impacting 85,000 pensioners. They also criticize the government for enabling the Driver Inc. scheme through Canada Post, urging its end.
The NDP calls for universal pharmacare access across all provinces and territories and demands equity for indigenous peoples.

Petitions

Similarities Between Bill C-2 and Bill C-12 Michael Barrett raises a point of order, arguing Bill C-2 cannot proceed on the Order Paper due to the "same question rule." He contends Bill C-12, already passed, is substantively similar, with 69% of Bill C-2's content. 1200 words, 10 minutes.

Clean Coasts Act Second reading of Bill C-244. The bill aims to address abandoned, derelict, and hazardous vessels by clarifying that marine dumping is a strict liability offense and prohibiting the transfer of ownership if the seller knows the buyer lacks the ability or intent to maintain or dispose of the vessel. While members largely support the intent, some Conservatives raise concerns about the vagueness of the ownership transfer clause and existing enforcement issues. 7200 words, 1 hour.

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Bill C-14 Motions in AmendmentBail and Sentencing Reform ActGovernment Orders

10:40 a.m.

La Prairie—Atateken Québec

Liberal

Jacques Ramsay LiberalParliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Saint-Jean, a riding that borders mine.

Bill C-14 needs to do three things. It needs to protect Canadian communities and protect victims, which it does. It also needs to protect the independence and impartiality of judges, which it does. The third thing it needs to do is ensure that Canadians have confidence in the justice system. This is about ensuring that the administration of justice is not brought into disrepute. I would argue that it fulfills these three objectives. It was important that it did so.

I would like my colleague to comment on that.

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10:40 a.m.

Bloc

Christine Normandin Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, I agree in principle. As I was saying, we are voting in favour of the bill. However, if we are going to have confidence in the administration of justice, then we also need to have confidence in the bill and we would have benefited from more time to review it properly.

It may be a bit pretentious of the government to say that the bills it introduces are perfect from the get-go. This may be a denial of the role of parliamentarians, which is to ensure that bills reflect the views of the population as a whole. The parties we represent have opposing views in some cases and similar views in others. I think we missed a great opportunity to boost public confidence if we had been able to do a more thorough job from the outset.

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10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Alex Ruff Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Mr. Speaker, first off, I want to acknowledge my hon. colleague's concerns and frustrations over the way the bill has gotten here. The fact is that the Liberal government refused to make this a priority last fall. The position Parliament is now facing with the lack of debate is because of the partisan factors in place, which I acknowledge.

However, I want to ask the member more about why the bill is so important.

Over the last decade, crime has gone through the roof across this country and in my own riding, especially among repeat violent offenders. Bail reform is needed because of past Liberal bills that weakened our justice system and bail regime.

Is the member hearing about these challenges with repeat violent offenders in her own riding, from law enforcement and constituents?

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10:40 a.m.

Bloc

Christine Normandin Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, my colleague's question raises many issues, but I would like to circle back to what I said earlier.

The objectives of this bill, as my colleague from La Prairie—Atateken clearly described, were to improve public confidence in the justice system and to strike a balance between various existing rights, including the public's right to feel safe and the accused's right, despite everything, to have a fair hearing and be presumed innocent. This delicate balance is often very difficult to achieve, so we would have been justified in taking the time to thoroughly analyze the bill with help from experts in the field.

Furthermore, as I mentioned in my speech, it is wishful thinking to believe that the law can do everything. We cannot solve all the world's problems with legislation alone. It would have been beneficial to hear from more people in the field explaining the vital role that rehabilitation and prevention have in crime reduction.

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10:40 a.m.

Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate my colleague on the thoroughness of her presentation. She has done her research and knows what she is talking about. She studied law herself, so it is interesting to hear from someone who knows the subject so well.

My question is perhaps more for her in her capacity as the Bloc Québécois House leader. I understand that currently, in the House, the government is trying to convince the public that our desire to debate bills, because we want to improve them, means that we are filibustering. That irritates me to no end. It seems to me that our job is to improve and enhance legislation.

Could my colleague comment on that?

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10:45 a.m.

Bloc

Christine Normandin Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, it is true that both the government side and the official opposition side sometimes tend to equate the time spent studying a bill with wasted time. In some cases, they seem to see them as one and the same. If we spend a lot of time studying a bill, that is seen as filibustering. However, the reason we spend a lot of time studying matters like Bill C-15, which is about 630 pages long, is clearly that it involves a lot of work—all the more reason to refer it to several committees. Should that be considered filibustering? I do not think so.

Similarly, when the Conservatives debate a Bloc Québécois amendment on hate speech over several sittings, maybe we could call them out for filibustering, although it is not something I think we should do systematically. To say that the time we spend debating something in the House is filibustering is a bit of an insult to the work of parliamentarians.

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10:45 a.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Uqaqtittiji, I am very pleased to speak to the bill, and I am also very pleased to have seconded the amendments submitted by the MP for Saanich—Gulf Islands, because I believe we share values. The bill required so much work, and her amendments can address so many of the flaws in the current iteration of Bill C-14.

I thank the Criminal Lawyers' Association for its work. In a submission it made, it said, “There is a bail crisis in Canada. But it is a crisis of detention, not release.”

Bill C-14 is not the answer Canadians need. It is a knee-jerk reaction to sensational headlines and high-profile incidents involving repeat violent offenders. Working hand in hand, Conservatives and Liberals rushed the bill through committee, holding only three meetings, while ignoring the voices of experts and the people most affected.

The Prime Minister claims to represent Liberal leadership, yet he openly supports and advances Conservative policies. Over two-thirds of Canadians did not vote for a Conservative government, but this is the agenda now being forced on Canadians.

The NDP is firmly opposed to Bill C-14. As the NDP critic for both justice and indigenous affairs, I am opposed to the bill because it would fail Canadians. Instead of making communities safer, it would cause great injustice, deepen inequality and trample on fundamental rights. Canadians deserve a better way forward.

By relying on tough-on-crime talking points, the government hopes to satisfy public pressure, but real issues are overlooked. People struggling with poverty, mental health and addiction would be pushed further into the system. The bill offers nothing in the way of treatment, rehabilitation or prevention. The bill would put more innocent people behind bars for longer, sometimes for months, before any trial. The cost would be paid by families and communities when people lose their housing, their job or even custody of their children, all before they have been found guilty of a crime.

Canada's current bail system is already one of the strictest in the world. In fact, 76% of people charged are now denied bail, up from 22% in 1978. More than 60% of people in provincial institutions are waiting for trial. One-third of the people detained before trial are never convicted of any crime; they sit in crowded jails without access to addiction or mental health programs. Indigenous people are drastically overrepresented in these numbers. Although they make up only 5% of Canada's population, about 30% of federal inmates are indigenous.

People who are experiencing poverty, homelessness, addiction or mental health challenges simply cannot meet the conditions for bail. They do not have a phone. They do not have stable housing or work, and they may not have friends or relatives to vouch for them. These are the people who would pay the price for the proposed policy.

Last year, the Department of Justice cut 264 jobs. In the fall budget, the Prime Minister mandated the reduction of justice department operations by an additional 15%. We know that reduction means more cuts are coming. These departmental cuts will affect supports for low-income Canadians, such as legal aid, bail support programs and community clinics.

The bill in its current form would narrow the principle of restraint, which would make it easier to keep people in detention. It would expand reverse onus by forcing an accused person to prove why they should get bail, instead of the Crown having to prove why they should not, weakening the principle of innocent until proven guilty. It would toughen sentences, amend the Youth Criminal Justice Act and make sweeping changes that would further tax an already overburdened system.

These are not evidence-based reforms. There is no clear data on how many people out on bail reoffend. We do not even collect standardized data on bail decisions. Rushing the bill through when experts and civil liberties groups ask for better information is not responsible law-making.

We already have evidence of programs that do work. The John Howard Society has supervised bail programs in Ontario communities that have success rates of over 90%, for a fraction of the cost of jail. These programs link people to addiction services, mental health services and social services, and they help people on bail meet the conditions set by the court. This is safer, less costly and more humane.

What we need are real investments in community-based supervision available across Canada. We need prevention and rehabilitation programs to tackle the root causes of crime, including poverty, trauma, systemic racism and colonial practices. We need national standards for data collection and risk assessment.

Debate in Parliament is supposed to serve Canadians and strengthen democracy, but on the bill before us, the Liberals and Conservatives are shutting out progressive voices like those of the NDP. They are refusing to listen to the experts who have studied Canada's criminal justice system. Instead they are moving quickly, relying on fear and political pressure rather than reason, evidence and open debate.

This approach leads to bad law and weakens democracy itself. When Parliament ignores the people advocating for civil liberties, the rights of indigenous peoples, and evidence-based solutions, we all lose. Democracy cannot thrive when important debate is suppressed and the government ignores the expertise of the people working on the front lines. Canadians deserve a criminal justice system rooted in fairness and facts, not political theatre. We need real solutions backed by evidence.

The NDP calls on the government to stop, listen and consult, especially with people who are experts and people who are most impacted by these laws. Democracy is best served when many voices are heard, not just one. That is why a stronger progressive presence in Parliament matters. When New Democrats speak up, critical issues like evidence-based justice, civil liberties and the rights of indigenous and marginalized people are not ignored. Canadians did not ask for a Conservative agenda, but that is what we are getting when Liberals and Conservatives rush bills like Bill C-14.

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10:55 a.m.

Brampton North—Caledon Ontario

Liberal

Ruby Sahota LiberalSecretary of State (Combatting Crime)

Mr. Speaker, although I agree with some parts of the member's intervention, I also think that prevention is a very important part of solving the criminal situation we have in the country. Rehabilitation upon conviction is also very important because one day people will be released, and we want to make sure they are released with a plan and with the ability to work.

Data is also a concern I have shared. We have been asking the provinces to share bail data with the federal government to strengthen our decision-making, but they have been unable to do so. That is something I plan to work on.

Would the member not agree that repeat violent offenders being released back out are a public safety risk, and that—

Bill C-14 Motions in AmendmentBail and Sentencing Reform ActGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

The Assistant Deputy Speaker John Nater

The hon. member for Nunavut.

Bill C-14 Motions in AmendmentBail and Sentencing Reform ActGovernment Orders

10:55 a.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Uqaqtittiji, the fact that the member has stated that the government has not had data to develop the bill confirms what I have been saying: The bill was not based on evidence.

I agree that we need to make sure we have better prevention programs. The best way to do that is to make sure we do not keep more people in jail, which the bill intends to. That is what we need to focus on. As the Criminal Lawyers' Association has said, there is a crisis, but it is in detention not on release.

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10:55 a.m.

Conservative

Kelly McCauley Conservative Edmonton West, AB

Mr. Speaker, the speech by my colleague from Nunavut was well thought out, but while I respect a lot of what she had to say, I do disagree with a couple of things. One is that I wish we actually had a Conservative agenda being brought forward by the government. The member also talks about a lack of evidence. Daily in the newspaper we see stories of victims of repeat violent offenders and victims of domestic violence from repeat violent offenders who are put in jail and are immediately brought back out. I think there is evidence of the failure of Bill C-75.

What would be the NPD solution to repeat violent offenders being let back out, abusing women and children and committing crimes against everyday Canadians?

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10:55 a.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Uqaqtittiji, the sensationalism that the media shares is creating fear that is not necessary, and the focus needs to be on addressing violent offenders.

I hope that with the way the bill is, it would not be overgeneralizing the people who would be most impacted. We have heard that bail works right now and that people who are violent offenders are kept in, and that is what the target needs to be of the bill. That is not what it is at this point.

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10:55 a.m.

Liberal

Ruby Sahota Liberal Brampton North—Caledon, ON

Mr. Speaker, does the member agree that removing conditional sentencing, allowing an offender, a repeat, violent, domestic abuser, back onto the streets, is uncalled for? The amendment would remove that provision.

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10:55 a.m.

NDP

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Uqaqtittiji, the bill required so much work that it was hard to support it right away. I very much appreciate the amendments that were tabled by the MP for Saanich—Gulf Islands.

Gulshan NanjiStatements by Members

10:55 a.m.

Liberal

Maggie Chi Liberal Don Valley North, ON

Mr. Speaker, I rise to pay tribute to the life of Mrs. Gulshan Nanji, who passed away in December at the age of 92.

Mrs. Nanji arrived in Canada from Uganda with her family in 1972, and was a steadfast champion of her family's long-standing commitment to the North York General Hospital in my riding of Don Valley North.

Together with her late husband, Mr. Pyarali Nanji, Mrs. Nanji played a transformational role with her vision and generosity, which is reflected in the Gulshan and Pyarali G. Nanji orthopaedic and plastics centre, the Nanji Family Foundation centre for medical imaging, the Nanji academic centre, the Nanji ambulatory care centre and many other initiatives that have strengthened care for our community.

Mrs. Nanji and the Nanji family are a testament to the transformative power of generosity. While we mourn her passing, we celebrate the remarkable legacy she leaves behind, a legacy that will carry forward and continue to inspire and connect people for generations.

Kosovo Independence DayStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Speaker, next week, Kosovo will celebrate the 18th anniversary of its independence. Canada has had a long and proud friendship with Kosovo, and I am proud, as a Canadian, that we were one of the first countries to recognize Kosovo's independence.

My wife is from Kosovo, and we spent part of our honeymoon there, where we enjoyed amazing food and I learned so much about their rich culture. Kosovars are deeply proud of their country. I have one piece of advice: Anyone who goes to Kosovo should go to Rahovec for a macchiato. It is the best coffee I have had in my life.

My son, William Kastriot Seeback, is named after their national hero, a man who stood for courage and independence. I want to join with Kosovars around the world celebrating independence next week here in Canada and abroad.

Urime Dita e Pavarësisë.

Women and Girls in ScienceStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Liberal

Karim Bardeesy Liberal Taiaiako'n—Parkdale—High Park, ON

Mr. Speaker, this week we marked the International Day of Women and Girls in Science.

At a time when, in some parts of the world, the scientific community is being discredited and dismembered, Canada chooses a different path. We choose to invest in discovery, to trust evidence and to honour our late colleague, Kirsty Duncan. We choose to celebrate this and do this with the women and girls who are driving breakthroughs in labs, classrooms and communities across our country.

Last month at the Canadian Science Policy Centre conference, I had the privilege of hearing Dr. Shohini Ghose, professor of physics and computer science at Wilfrid Laurier University, as she accepted a Trailblazer Award. She reminded us that some comets blaze brightly and some do not, but all are equally extraordinary. She read a sci-ku, a science haiku, of her own devising:

Let us be quantum
Entangled across space time
Hearts and minds as well

This week we recognize Dr. Ghose and the many women whose curiosity, courage and brilliance have shaped our world and the generations of girls like my daughter who, because of them, know they belong in science.

ChrysalisStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Conservative

Billy Morin Conservative Edmonton Northwest, AB

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize the outstanding work of Chrysalis, an Alberta society for citizens with disabilities located in my riding of Edmonton Northwest.

Chrysalis demonstrates a principle Albertans strongly believe in, which is that dignity is found in work, contribution and self-reliance. For nearly 60 years, Chrysalis has empowered thousands of people with disabilities to pursue meaningful employment and greater independence while contributing to Edmonton and Alberta economies. Through practical supports and strong partnerships with local employers, Chrysalis always delivers results for the families they serve.

Led by executive director Melinda Noyes and her dedicated team, the society's innovation in art, culinary and cultural programming has helped set them apart.

When we remove barriers and focus on ability, we strengthen our workforce and our country. As Conservatives, we will always champion policies that support opportunity, responsibility and the power of meaningful employment for all Canadians.

World Cancer DayStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Liberal

Mona Fortier Liberal Ottawa—Vanier—Gloucester, ON

Mr. Speaker, I want to acknowledge World Cancer Day, which took place last Wednesday. It is a time when the entire world comes together in the spirit of awareness, solidarity and hope.

It is a day to honour those who have lost their lives and those who are still fighting and to recognize the caregivers who show extraordinary courage every day.

In particular, we remember Terry Fox. His perseverance united a nation, his courage inspired the world and his determination continues to guide us and unite us.

Last Wednesday, the Terry Fox Foundation announced that it has surpassed the milestone of $1 billion raised in support of life-saving cancer research, thanks to the contributions of millions of volunteers, partners and supporters from coast to coast to coast. This historic achievement reflects the generosity of Canadians and their unwavering commitment to a future without cancer.

Let this day be more than just a moment. Let it inspire us to keep on moving. Let us honour those fighting cancer by supporting progress wherever we can. Let us carry forward the journey that Terry Fox began. Let us finish it.

AffordabilityStatements by Members

11 a.m.

Conservative

Kurt Holman Conservative London—Fanshawe, ON

Mr. Speaker, across Canada, seniors are feeling the pressure of rising costs in very real ways. One of my constituents recently told me she feels like the walls are closing in, as her fixed income is stretched further each month.

This is why Conservatives are focused on practical solutions that would help bring costs down and restore stability for seniors and their families. Conservatives have constantly put forward constructive ideas and reached out to work with other parties, including through opposition motions that offer real, workable solutions. The recent meeting between the leader of the official opposition and the Prime Minister underscores the urgency of this work.

Canadians are looking for results, not rhetoric. Conservatives will always set aside differences to find common ground when it will lead to real results for Canadians. We urge other parties to do the same and focus on delivering solutions that ease affordability pressures for seniors and families.

Non-Profit SectorStatements by Members

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Tim Louis Liberal Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

Mr. Speaker, February 15 marks the beginning of Non-Profit Sector Appreciation Week, and I am proud to rise today to celebrate the heart of our communities: our non-profits and the people behind them. These are our neighbours. They are the friendly faces who step up when someone needs a ride, a meal, a place to call home or a caring professional to talk to. Their dedication does not make headlines most days, but it makes a world of difference in Kitchener—Conestoga and across the nation.

We are Canadian. We celebrate those who strengthen our communities through compassion, service and the belief that we are better when we lift each other up. During this week of appreciation, coinciding with national Kindness Week, I encourage everyone to get involved and volunteer their time, lend their skills or simply reach out to a local non-profit organization to ask how they can help. Sometimes the smallest gesture becomes the moment that someone remembers the most.

I thank all non-profit sector workers and volunteers. Their work reflects the very best of who we are as Canadians.

HearstStatements by Members

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Gaétan Malette Conservative Kapuskasing—Timmins—Mushkegowuk, ON

Mr. Speaker, today I am calling attention to one of the 46 communities in my riding: Hearst.

Nestled in the boreal forest of northeastern Ontario, Hearst is a town whose main employers are two sawmills, a plywood plant and Villeneuve Construction, a civil engineering and road maintenance company.

The town of Hearst was forged by generations of northern workers and families who built not only industries, but also strong communities and a sustainable future for their children. Its language and traditions make the region unique. In Hearst, French is not a secondary language; it is the language of work. The town's bilingual character is part of our daily lives, our economy and our future.

Today, Hearst is an emblem of Franco-Canadian culture and the determination to never give up.

Valentine's DayStatements by Members

11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Claude DeBellefeuille Bloc Beauharnois—Salaberry—Soulanges—Huntingdon, QC

Mr. Speaker, tomorrow is Valentine's Day, a holiday for lovers.

We know that some people think Valentine's Day is too commercial or too corny, and some say that lovers do not need a holiday. Others who are single simply do not care. As for me, I think that we need a holiday that celebrates love now more than ever.

When times are uncertain, when tragedy strikes, when people are wondering what the world is coming to, in times like these, we need to love one another now more than ever. We need to tell those around us that we love them and we need to be reminded that we are loved by those we care about. I truly believe that this is necessary and that setting a day aside for love is still a good idea.

I want to wish a happy Valentine's Day to everyone, including all those who love, those who want to love, those who need love, and those I love, including my partner, my children and my grandchildren.

International DevelopmentStatements by Members

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Mr. Speaker, last week was International Development Week, and it was remarkable to learn from partners whose efforts make Canada a leader in development work around the globe.

From speaking at Carleton University about how refugees in Canada can contribute to development work globally, to discussing how to bridge the gap between trade and development, it was a very productive and enlightening week. I also had the honour to host the brave women of the Afghan Women Parliamentarians and Leaders Network, who shared the impactful stories of their work to fight for peace, democracy and women's rights in Afghanistan.

Canada's international development work makes me proud to be a Canadian, and I am glad to have the chance to support it.

Olympic Winter GamesStatements by Members

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Aaron Gunn Conservative North Island—Powell River, BC

Mr. Speaker, it was 16 years ago this month when Canadians from coast to coast came together to celebrate the most dominant performance in winter Olympic history, with 26 medals, 14 of them gold, and nothing more iconic, of course, than Sidney Crosby's golden goal, which eliminated the United States and reclaimed Canada's rightful place as the undisputed hockey nation of the world. It was a moment etched into the very memory and identity of this great country, a defining moment of national unity and national pride. Whether people were watching that final game from their living room, at a bar or with the thousands crammed outside of LiveCity in Yaletown, as I was, it was one of those rare instances of pure, unadulterated joy.

I know I speak for all members of the House when I wish the amazing athletes representing Canada the best of luck and all the success in the world. To Nate, Sid, Connor and the boys on the ice, let us go get another gold medal.