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  • His favourite word was colleague.

Last in Parliament October 2019, as NDP MP for Sherbrooke (Québec)

Lost his last election, in 2019, with 28% of the vote.

Statements in the House

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Madam Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague for his intervention and his expertise on the matter.

In his riding of Joliette, does he get the impression that the public thinks there is a two-tier system? This term is often used to describe a system where there are rules for the average taxpayer and other rules for multimillionaires. The difference is that average taxpayers do not have the money for tax schemes or to defend themselves against the Canada Revenue Agency and its lawyers. In the other corner, multimillionaires not only have the money for such schemes, but they also have the money to defend themselves. They are told by the CRA that they are untouchable, that they have too many appropriate expenditures, so they will get to negotiate a settlement in order to avoid prosecution.

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Madam Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague for her remarks.

She began by talking about the Panama Papers. When I asked for information on this matter, I was told that 397 individuals had been identified and that 80 of them had come under closer scrutiny. In addition, none of the cases has been referred to the criminal investigations program of the Canada Revenue Agency. Obviously, no criminal prosecution has been initiated on the Panama Papers files.

Does my colleague think that the results obtained by her government have contributed to the fight against tax evasion when no criminal charges have been laid? Those involved in such schemes should be imprisoned. Denunciatory penalties would ensure that others understand there is a heavy price to pay and that they should not take part in such schemes. Is she satisfied with the record of her government, which has not instituted any criminal proceedings for tax evasion?

Justice March 7th, 2017

Mr. Speaker, do you know who gave external legal advice for the KPMG scheme? It was Dentons law firm. Who organizes exclusive soirees at international tax conferences? Dentons law firm. Who attended one of these exclusive soirees last fall? Justice Bocock of the Tax Court of Canada. Who is the judge overseeing the case involving the Cooper family, which is appealing the CRA decision? You guessed it, it is Justice Bocock.

Two plus two equals four, and Canadians can see through this.

Does the Minister of Justice believe that the Canadian Judicial Council should conduct a thorough review of this judge's inappropriate behaviour?

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Indeed, Madam Speaker, we agree that the stock options issue does not concern ordinary Canadians, or our neighbours down the street in our ridings, be they Essex or Sherbrooke. They are not the ones who use the stock options offered by companies.

The people who use them are well connected to the Liberal government, and may know the finance minister, himself a product of Bay Street who is among the wealthiest 1% of the Canadian population. Does she think it possible that this financial industry and the multinationals may have exerted some influence that could have caused the Liberals to go back on their promise to put an end to this tax loophole?

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his contribution to the debate. I am always pleased to work with him on the Standing Committee on Finance. He mentioned the work that has been done at the Standing Committee on Finance on the subject of tax evasion and tax avoidance.

Once again, the Liberal members are saying that the government is doing a wonderful job and has invested $444.4 million. I do not know where that figure comes from, but even if they are investing millions of dollars, we are not seeing any concrete results in the courts.

For example, in the case of Liechtenstein, 106 individuals have been identified, and none of them has been questioned by the Public Prosecution Service of Canada. In the Panama Papers case, 397 individuals have been identified, and so far, none of them has been questioned by the Public Prosecution Service of Canada. That means there have been even fewer convictions.

Why, then, are we not seeing the results of this $444 million investment on the ground, in the courts?

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Mr. Speaker, although I thank my colleague for her remarks, I am very disappointed that she spent three-quarters of her time talking about things other than what is in the motion being debated today in the House. It is really very disappointing. She did not even respond to the three measures in the motion, which are specific courses of action the government can take. She simply took the cards of the Minister of National Revenue and again mentioned the $444 million; those are fine words. What we have heard from the government on our motion is clearly not enough.

Canadians are asking for action and, above all, for results. The figures I presented earlier and what we hear in the media reports clearly show that the results are not there. There are no results in the fight against tax evasion and there are no exemplary penalties imposed on fraudsters who decide to avoid paying their fair share.

Can my colleague at least commit to some of the measures in our motion that will allow us to fight more actively? Can she also tell us that criminal prosecution will come soon in the KPMG case and that some people will be in prison as soon as possible?

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to answer that question. I alluded to it in my speech. The tax treaties are double taxation treaties, among others. The most telling example, which was even raised by the Bloc Québécois in the past, was the one signed with Barbados in the 1980s, under a certain Minister of Finance, Mr. Martin—I do not know whether that tells you something—who perhaps had interests, even personal interests, at the time this double taxation agreement was signed, because he himself had companies in the country with which the treaty was signed, namely Barbados.

That is the classic case, the most telling example, where we have a double taxation treaty with a country that has a low or non-existent tax rate. That is the major problem. That is why, in the recent debate on double taxation concerning the Canada and Taiwan Territories Tax Arrangement and the Convention between Canada and the State of Israel, which have been renewed, I implored the government to monitor our double taxation conventions very closely, to assess whether the tax rates in the countries concerned were reasonable and whether they would allow Canadians to see that everything was as fair as it should be and that these conventions being signed with many other countries were not being abused. There are over 90 treaties at present. I gave the example of the convention with Barbados; it is high time that we terminated that convention, which is being abused, and look to see whether there are others being abused and terminate them.

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question.

We completely support additional investments. During the Conservatives’ term in office, we asked that they reinvest in the Canada Revenue Agency. We made very frequent requests for hiring more auditors. Unfortunately, the Conservatives reduced investment instead. Fortunately, $444 million has now been invested. For the moment, my colleague is the very person who tables the government’s answers to questions on the Order Paper. If I look at the recent figures we have, dated today, with the new international investigations branch that was created on April 1, 2006, 56 investigations have been opened, but none has yet been sent to the Public Prosecution Service of Canada. We have therefore seen no results.

If we take the case of the Panama Papers, more than 397 individuals had been identified on the date when my question was answered, including 50 companies and 80 individuals. How many of those cases were referred to the criminal investigations program, the step before prosecutions? None. This is not moving fast enough. Canadians are outraged by this situation, and the government keeps saying that it is investing money. However, we are not seeing any results. It is all very well to keep up the fine talk, as the minister has done with her pink cards, but if there are no results at the end of the line and if no white-collar criminals are convicted in the Canadian courts or in the criminal courts, these are not positive outcomes.

I support these additional investments, but I am anxious to see concrete results and people who are actually in handcuffs for tax fraud and tax evasion. That is not what we have seen, however, and it is not what we are seeing. I hope it comes to pass.

Business of Supply March 7th, 2017

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to take the floor after my colleague from Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie. I thank him for tabling this motion which is extremely pertinent in the context of last week’s revelations about the KPMG affair. That affair is coming back to haunt the Minister of National Revenue, who had quite a hard time defending herself yesterday in the House over settlements negotiated with tax evaders.

This issue is a priority for the NDP, which is fighting for greater equality and tax fairness. That is why we are debating this motion today. We hope all members of the House will support these measures, which can be taken immediately or in short order to resolve this major problem. I would like to discuss some of the solutions we are proposing to the government. It is my understanding that the government may support our motion, so I am optimistic about convincing it that these short-term measures are feasible. They will help reduce the inequality in our society.

We reserve our harshest criticism for the fact that we have a two-tier tax system. Not only is there an endless array of tax credits, deductions, and exemptions for businesses and the wealthy, but also, if ever the Canada Revenue Agency does catch up with them, they typically negotiate deals to pay back the money they owe to society at preferential interest rates while avoiding penalties and fines that could, at the very least, serve as a warning to others.

That is why Canadians are so outraged by what they have seen in the recent reports. It seems as though there is a two-tier system: one for wealthy taxpayers, multimillionaires and billionaires, and another for ordinary taxpayers. If the latter make a mistake, even acting in good faith, or if they fail to report income, the CRA is ruthless and does not hesitate to drag those taxpayers to court, people who may not have the means to defend themselves. Wealthy taxpayers, meanwhile, are offered amnesty deals. They are asked to pay the taxes they should have paid in the first place and are told that all will be forgotten. The slate is wiped clean moving forward for them, and yet, ordinary taxpayers are not given the same advantage.

Our motion comes at a time when international tax competition is becoming increasingly fierce. This competition is extremely harmful to tax bases all over the world. This problem is not unique to Canada. The problem of tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance exists around the globe because of certain unscrupulous countries that are contributing to this highly competitive tax environment in which each country tries to have the lowest tax rates and give tax benefits to companies and wealthy taxpayers so that they will do business there.

Canada is no exception. In some ways, we play into this competitive tax environment. Many of the tax measures that are in place today are a product of that very environment. Canada grants benefits, deductions here and exemptions there. In the end, only the wealthiest members of our society benefit. If we talk to our neighbours, if we go door to door and ask average taxpayers if they are receiving deductions for dividends, tax credits, or capital gains exemptions, if we ask ordinary people about that, we see that they are not the ones benefitting from these credits. Only the upper class benefits from these measures, which are found within a framework that encourages Canada to compete in a way that is damaging in the long term. We may be making some gains here and there in the short term, but this approach is not productive in the long term because, if all of that money is left in the pockets of the rich, we are not able to provide quality services to Canadians.

Let us not forget that services are not free. As a society, we collectively decide to pool our resources to achieve our goals, in other words, provide high quality and affordable, even free, services to the entire population. That way, regardless of where a person comes from or their financial situation, they can obtain said services. Take health care, for example. We want health care to be provided to everyone, independently of their income. We want everyone to have access to an education without having to spend a fortune on it.

My philosophy is that we should pool our efforts and money to provide our fellow citizens with the best services at the best possible cost. Tax competition is causing us to lose more and more means to provide services. Governments are forced to cut more and more from services or increase prices, which is really unfortunate.

That is why we are focusing on a few solutions. Among other things, the government needs to tighten the rules around shell companies. How many shell companies are in tax havens that are actively part of this tax competition? How many shell companies are being used only to report profits offshore?

It is one of our society's biggest problems. Real economic activity takes place here, in Canada, or in other industrialized countries, where consumers live. The consumers are not in Barbados, but in Canada, the United States, and Europe. Even though the economic activity takes place in these countries, the profits are reported elsewhere, with different schemes that are increasingly complex. Over the years, the OECD and the government have worked together to address tax schemes. In our opinion, the profits should be reported where the economic activities take place.

Accordingly, if the economic activities take place in Canada, then the Canadian subsidiary must pay its taxes in Canada. That is currently not the case. That is why the motion mentions shell companies. We must tighten the rules for these companies. There is work being done on this. We have to tighten the rules in order to ensure that companies report their profits where the economic activity really takes place and not in countries where taxes are low.

Tax treaties are another issue. Since my colleague has talked about this, I will not go on at length about the subject. In some cases, tax treaties have legalized non-taxation. The goal was to do something good by not taxing the same income twice. For example, if a Canadian company does business in the United States through an American subsidiary and the subsidiary pays taxes at a higher rate than in Canada and then repatriates its profits for its Canadian shareholders, obviously that will not be taxed twice; we are not crazy.

However, double taxation agreements have been signed with countries that have a low or non-existent tax rate; Barbados is the best example of this. There is a good reason why billions of dollars in foreign investment are finding their way to Barbados. Barbados is second on the list of countries where Canada makes the most foreign investments. As I said earlier, that is certainly not where the consumers are, and that is not where real business is being done. That is where the profits are reported, and that is where billions of dollars are sent every year. In Barbados, the tax rate is between 0.25% and 2%. Canada and Barbados have a double taxation agreement. My colleague provided more details on this subject a little earlier.

We are asking that the government examine this question, to ensure that double taxation agreements are not being abused. In this case, there has certainly been abuse.

We must make every effort to create something that is not a two-tier system. This is a major problem that Canadians condemn. In the KPMG case, agreements were signed and settlements negotiated. It was told that its slate would be wiped clean if it paid the tax owed. It was decided that all would be forgotten.

It is not too late for the government to file criminal charges in the case of KPMG, which facilitates tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance, and against the clients who participated in this scheme. In fact, that is what I asked the Minister of National Revenue to do, yesterday. That would allow for exemplary sentences to be imposed, and it would show others what happens when you engage in tax evasion. We hope that will mean we can put an end to this scourge in our society.

Canada Revenue Agency March 6th, 2017

Mr. Speaker, the KPMG affair is again haunting the Minister of National Revenue as a result of the airing of the most recent episode of Enquête.

The KPMG scheme was used in the early 2000s and no criminal charges have yet been laid against the thieves.

The minister has been on the job for 18 months and we have yet to see any action. The problem is that the minister does not walk the talk. Words are no longer enough.

Will the minister undertake to launch a full inquiry into the secret agreements signed with these white-collar criminals? In particular, will she promise today to file criminal charges against these thieves, not just against the KPMG accountants but also against the fraudsters themselves?