Evidence of meeting #38 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was summit.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Commissioner Larry Beechey  Deputy Commissioner, Traffic Safety and Operational Support, Ontario Provincial Police
Kevin Gagnon  As an Individual
William Blair  Chief, Toronto Police Service
Sgt Gary Giroux  Detective Sergeant, Toronto Police G20 Investigative Team, Toronto Police Service

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

My understanding--and forgive me, I don't have the details of this and I can only offer you my understanding and the explanation I have received as to why those charges were dropped--is that it was because the police did not have the appropriate warrant for the apprehension of those individuals—

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

They did not have enough evidence.

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

—but that does not negate the fact they had evidence to make an arrest.

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Are you are telling me that, when you went into that gymnasium to arrest a hundred or so people and take them off to a detention centre with no regard for their rights as individuals, you had no warrant? That is how I understand it.

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

The crown and the court determined that the circumstances of that arrest required what is called a Feeney warrant and that the police did not have the appropriate warrant to make those arrests. The crown also commented and—

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

They had no warrant, but they arrested people anyway.

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

--the court also commented—

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

That is just great. Democracy for ever!

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Continue, Mr. Blair.

Madame Mourani, let Mr. Blair explain.

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

The court also commented that the officers had reasonable and probable grounds to make that arrest, but there was a technical problem with the way in which the arrest was done, and that's why the charges were dropped. That's my understanding.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Did they have a warrant?

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

What's that...?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Did they have a warrant?

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Are you using my time?

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

It was determined after the fact that the warrant was required to enter and make those arrests.

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

I need two minutes more.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Go ahead, Madame Mourani.

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Mr. Blair, you say that you could not go into that crowd, and I respect your assessment of the situation. I would still like you to explain why, when people wearing masks—let's say black block people—destroyed police cars and smashed windows, there were no police on site to make arrests. Where were the police when the vandalism took place?

I have seen the video with my own eyes. The police got out of the cars and left. One car was left right in the middle of the crowd and was destroyed. Windows were being smashed, but no police cars were on the scene. How do you explain that?

4:50 p.m.

A voice

If you ask me, the police did it themselves.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you, Madame Mourani.

Mr. Blair, quickly, we're over time.

4:50 p.m.

Chief, Toronto Police Service

Chief William Blair

I'll be very quick.

First of all, most of my police officers were with the 10,000-plus people who were lawfully demonstrating. We have a responsibility to them as well. We had our public order people arrayed to protect the summit site.

Unfortunately, when police officers were being assaulted and attacked, police officers in their cars were driving into the area surrounded by, frankly, the mob. The choice was either to drive through the mob, thereby putting people—even if they're involved in criminal activity—at considerable risk. As they attacked the cars, the police officers, on a couple of occasions, were compelled to abandon their cars because they were attacked and physically assaulted in the cars by the mob. That's what transpired on the streets.

It took some time, quite frankly, to disengage from the 10,000 people in the demonstration and from the summit site to bring people up in an effort to contain those several hundred people who had run away from the police to begin smashing windows, burning cars, and looting stores. It takes some time to do that. Then they immediately went into another area and took off their disguises.

But fortunately we have many video images and, through the good work of our investigators, we have been able to identify these individuals. Because I think there's an expectation among Canadians that the people who engage in criminal acts will be held accountable for their crimes. That's why we've worked so hard to identify these individuals.

But let me assure you that my officers were put in a very dangerous and difficult situation in those circumstances. Many of them acted with great courage and restraint. I can also tell you that over the course of that weekend we had thousands of cameras pointed at us every day—every hour of every day, in every action of the police.

With great respect, I think that all of those video images that have been posted and displayed demonstrate quite clearly that the officers acted with restraint; they acted according to the rule of law; they acted within their lawful authorities; they maintained their discipline; and they did their very best to protect the citizens of Toronto, while at the same time trying to facilitate lawful, peaceful protest.

The overwhelming majority of citizens helped us and cooperated with that. Some chose not to and placed themselves at risk of being apprehended and arrested.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you, Mr. Blair.

We'll go to Mr. Lobb and Mr. Rathgeber.

November 3rd, 2010 / 4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I thank the guests for coming today.

To me, it just defies logic when I hear the coalition ramble away. They're Monday-morning quarterbacks. They have it all figured out after the fact.

Mr. Davies, he'd take the word of the black bloc before he'd take the word of the police officers. Mr. Gaudet's logic...arrest them all because they had masks on. Using that same logic—

4:55 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Mr. Chairman, I have a point of order here.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Just one moment.