Evidence of meeting #13 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was processing.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Richard Davies  Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.
Anthony Eikelenboom  Drover, Scotian Cattle Company
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard
Ian Blenkharn  Retired Business Executive and Farmer, As an Individual
Kathleen Sullivan  Chief Executive Officer, Food and Beverage Canada

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Welcome to meeting number 13 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on October 24, 2020, the committee is resuming its study on processing capacity.

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With that, I would like to welcome our first panel. From Olymel L.P. we have Richard Davies, senior vice-president, sales and marketing. From Scotian Cattle Company, we have Anthony Eikelenboom, drover.

We'll start with Mr. Davies, for seven and a half minutes, to do his opening statement.

Go ahead, Mr. Davies.

3:35 p.m.

Richard Davies Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Mr. Chair and honourable members of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, thank you for your invitation.

My name is Richard Davies. I'm the senior vice-president of sales and marketing at Olymel, whose main shareholder is the Sollio Cooperative Group, formerly known as La Coop fédérée.

Olymel is Canada's leading pork producer and the leading exporter of pork meat. Many countries recognize its meat as being of superior quality. We export our products to over 65 countries.

Olymel has deep roots in Quebec. It has also expanded into Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta and New Brunswick. We provide direct employment to 15,000 Canadians. Our annual sales are around $4.5 billion. We generate considerable economic benefits for our regions. The entire value chain of our sectors is also very significant.

The goal of the Honourable Marie-Claude Bibeau, Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, is to increase Canada's total agri-food exports from approximately $67 billion in 2020 to $75 billion by 2025. However, this goal would be easier to achieve if the government, along with the industry, were to pick up the pace in terms of removing barriers that can only hinder the objective.

I'll list some of the issues that our industry is facing, starting with the issue currently described as the mother of all issues: labour. This issue is critical and essential not only for Olymel, but also for the entire agri-food sector. Even before the current pandemic, we were already facing a serious labour shortage. However, given its growth and major investments in recent years, our company can create thousands of new jobs wherever it operates in Canada.

We provide stable jobs with very competitive conditions in regions that need jobs. For example, we'll need to hire 1,200 people a year over the next few years to deal with the expected turnover rate, the retirement of baby boomers and adverse demographic projections.

We also need to hire an additional 1,200 employees right now to bring our plants up to full capacity and to optimize previous investments. Lastly, we'll need another 1,200 employees to handle opportunities that arise and future projects already in the works. In short, along with the 15,000 current jobs, Olymel will need the equivalent of 3,000 to 4,000 additional jobs in our regions over the coming months.

Obviously, the inability to find workers is a major barrier to our development and growth. Without sufficient labour, we'll be forced to abandon certain markets. This will mean fewer jobs and investments. This will also mean that processors from other countries will quickly take our place in foreign markets and here in Canada because of the labour shortage. The entire value chain is affected by the labour shortage.

We're already working with local elected officials and regional governments to make new workers even more welcome in regions that want to boost their economies.

In recent years, Olymel has brought in a good contingent of temporary foreign workers. These workers, who come from halfway around the world, are strongly motivated by a search for a better life in Canada. However, the federal government's temporary foreign worker program has a 10% cap per company. We've been advocating for years for this cap to be raised to 20%. We also want fewer bureaucratic delays that slow down the program.

Since the start of the pandemic, our employees have done an outstanding job of responding to the call from governments to maintain our processing activities as an essential service. We're the essential extension of the livestock farm. Our slaughterhouses are the essential end result of the farmers' activities.

Not only is the labour issue critical, but it urgently needs to be addressed.

On another note, the current pandemic has prompted us to look ahead at our modernization plans. These plans involve the development of new technology and greater integration of robotics and automation in our operations. Although robotics and automation aren't designed to replace labour, if the industry wants to remain competitive and effective, we must speed up the implementation of these tools, which require research and major investments.

We believe that the Canadian government must assist exporting companies in this area through appropriate and easily accessible support programs that are comparable to the same programs provided by the governments of our main competitors.

The barriers to accessing our priority markets constitute another challenge that increasingly limits our export capabilities. For example, our access to the Chinese market has been disrupted for several months. As a result, 70% of Canada's total production no longer has access to the world's largest market. There are some technical issues that can easily be resolved. However, the current political relationship certainly isn't helping to resolve the issues and lift the suspensions. Our plant in Red Deer, Alberta has been particularly hard hit since April 28, 2019.

Moreover, right here in Canada, a major issue is developing in the relationship between mass distribution and Canadian processors. The Canadian government could certainly help promote a better balance of power, as requested by most stakeholders in the processing industry. I'm referring here to the attempts by some retailers to unilaterally impose market conditions on processors that could threaten the processors' viability. We believe that the establishment of a code of good practice between the mass distribution and processing stakeholders would be beneficial to everyone, including Canadian consumers. When faced with the same issue, several countries have taken action to address the situation.

Lastly, in more immediate news, the current pandemic has forced the companies asked to continue their operations to quickly adapt to new conditions, particularly health conditions. We've done everything possible to protect the health of our employees, although we haven't been able to avoid periodic outbreaks. We believe, as the Canadian Meat Council already advocated last December, that food processing employees, particularly in the meat sector, should have priority access to a vaccine. This approach is in line with other sectors where the solution has already been implemented.

In closing, I've provided a broad summary to stay within my allotted speaking time. Olymel is, of course, willing to give you more information on these issues.

Thank you.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Thank you, Mr. Davies.

Now, we have Mr. Anthony Eikelenboom for seven and a half minutes.

Go ahead.

3:45 p.m.

Anthony Eikelenboom Drover, Scotian Cattle Company

Good afternoon, and thank you for inviting me to this committee.

My speech is going to be more of an overlook of what we do here in Nova Scotia, and then I'll take some questions regarding what I've said.

My name is Anthony Eikelenboom and I'm from Shubenacadie, Nova Scotia. I own and operate Scotian Cattle, which has been in operation for approximately 10 years. We are a buyer throughout Nova Scotia. I'm also a partner in Cowtown Cattle Company, which has been in operation for four years and is a buyer Maritimes-wide. Cowtown also accepts animals from other buyers within the maritime provinces, and some in Quebec and Ontario.

For Scotian, we travel around the province twice weekly doing business with roughly 160 of the 200 dairy farms in Nova Scotia. When I started Scotian Cattle Company, we were only buying replacement heifers. Over the past 10 years, we've grown and now we buy a large percentage of the cull cows and bob calves here in Nova Scotia.

Historically, there were markets for Holstein bull calves and replacement heifers. However, now with the markets drying up for those replacement heifers, and with the new transport regulations, it is presently near impossible—and starting in February 2022 it will be absolutely impossible—to ship Holstein calves into the veal market in Quebec.

New regulations have been put into effect where the maximum amount of time a calf can be on a truck is 12 hours. Calves must then be offloaded, fed and rested. We all know where Nova Scotia stands logistically. What this means is that we are no longer able to ship those Holstein calves to Quebec into that veal market.

What we're doing to fix that problem here is encouraging the farmers to breed their cows to beef bulls. The result is a cross-bred calf that is 50% Holstein and 50% beef. This specific type of calf gives the farmer and us the opportunity to sell the calves to local feedlots.

In order for dairy farmers to operate, it's necessary for the cows to be bred and calved yearly. Because we are unable to ship the Holstein calves, we're encouraging farmers to breed the top one-third of their herd to the female sexed semen to ensure heifer replacements for the farm, and then we are promoting that with the bottom two-thirds of their herd they breed those animals to the sexed male beef semen, and that will hopefully ensure that we can sell their calves.

By doing all that, folks, this will hopefully fix the transportation issue in regard to transporting the baby calves. However, once those cross-bred calves have matured to an ideal market weight, we're not going to be able to process them here in Nova Scotia. Therefore, we will need to sell them out of province at increased costs and, as you all know, trucking is very high nowadays.

In addition to these calves, because of the new transport regulations we're also now limited in the number of cull cows that we're able to ship on trucks, and also in the different classes of cows. We have to pay more attention to the age and condition of the animals. This leads us to processing more cows in the province, and the provincial plants are also running at near full capacity. Most of them are at full capacity.

I think all this goes back to why we're here today, processing capacity and capability. If we were able to have a federally inspected plant here in the province, which we do not at the present time, it would drastically change the entire picture. Farmers will then have the luxury of selling their animals to the federal plant, which will in turn give them more money for their animals as the federal plant can sell outside of the province. It allows us cattle dealers to sell more animals and put more money into the farmers' pockets. It also lowers my costs of transportation.

In closing, a federal processing plant in the province is necessary. To do it through the private sector would be difficult, given the economics and the scale and the small margins. However, with government funding, we should be able to change the current state and make it a viable business for all parties involved, from the farmer to the table.

There's no doubt that the provincial governments need to play a leadership role. However, the federal government could be a conveyor or provide support through ACOA or through the Canadian agricultural partnership.

I guess that's it for my speech. Thank you very much for listening. I can take questions whenever questions are allowed.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Thank you, Mr. Eikelenboom.

Now we will start our question round.

Mr. Lehoux, you have the floor for six minutes.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to thank our witnesses for joining us today and wish a happy new year to all the committee members and witnesses here this morning.

Mr. Davies, you're talking about a significant labour shortage that existed long before the arrival of COVID-19. Is the 10% cap on the number of foreign workers still a major issue for you?

3:50 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

Yes. It's a major issue in all our regions. Obviously, the situation is more critical in some regions. Steps have been taken for over 15 years. It started in Alberta. Over the past few years, the issue has spread here to Quebec and to parts of Ontario.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

Is the Minister of Agriculture aware of the situation?

3:50 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

Yes. The minister and the ministers who preceded her have been informed of the situation and have been regularly asked about the issue for quite some time.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

Do you know whether there have been any discussions between the Minister of Agriculture and successive immigration ministers?

I think that people will need to talk to each other.

3:50 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

I'm not personally keeping track of this matter. Our vice-president would be in a better position to answer you. It's a human resources issue, but we hear about it regularly. It's an ongoing priority.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

You spoke about modernization, robotics and so on.

What major issues are you encountering when you try to go a step further with modernization in terms of robotics?

3:50 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

First, there's the availability of technology. If we want to speed things up, there will certainly be challenges related to capital. In addition, there would certainly be challenges related to site development. The existing facilities and walls probably wouldn't be suitable. These are the two biggest impediments.

I'd say that the issue is the availability of capital and the completion of the work.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

I want to build on the point that you made during your presentation. I imagine that some programs would be needed to support companies on the heels of this modernization.

Do you have any ideas?

3:50 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

I don't have anything specific in mind. I wanted to emphasize—

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Sorry, Mr. Davies. Could you speak a little slower? Mr. Lehoux, could you slow down as well? The interpreters are having trouble keeping up with you.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

Okay.

Please continue, Mr. Davies.

3:55 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

I lost my train of thought.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

I was asking you about the modernization and robotics programs.

3:55 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

Obviously, we're competing with several countries around the world. At Olymel, we're always looking for fair ways to fight and to attract business—

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Mr. Davies, unfortunately, I must interrupt you. We're having technical difficulties.

Can the clerk check whether there's a sound issue?

3:55 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard

Yes. Our technicians will check whether the sound quality can be improved on Mr. Davies' end.

In the meantime, perhaps you could ask the other witness some questions.

3:55 p.m.

Senior Vice-President, Sales and Marketing, Olymel L.P.

Richard Davies

Is this better?

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Pat Finnigan

Mr. Lehoux, do you have any questions for the other witness while we wait?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Richard Lehoux Conservative Beauce, QC

I had other questions for Mr. Davies, but I can ask Mr. Eikelenboom a question.

Mr. Eikelenboom, I understood from your remarks that a major constraint, starting in 2022, will make it difficult to ship animals. Is that right?