Evidence of meeting #41 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was local.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Smee  Chief Executive Officer, Food First NL
Nikkel  Chief Executive Officer, Second Harvest Canada
Cantafio  Director, Atlantic Food Action Coalition
Hoeft  Assistant Public Affairs Director, Salvation Army
Boyd  Chief Executive Officer, Greener Village
Archambault  Founder and Chief Executive Officer, La Tablée des Chefs

11:40 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Food First NL

Joshua Smee

Sure. I can start.

I think part of this for us is that for capital there are a couple of pieces.

One is processing equipment. Physical pieces of equipment to process food are really important parts of the mix for community-driven food hubs. Most of them are never going to sustain themselves by just selling food to households. Access to the kind of equipment that can cut a carrot down to the size that a hospital needs to cook it in its steam cooker, for example, is one kind of capital that matters. The other capital is things like distribution vehicles. That's a big part of it. Most of this kind of work only works if you own your own fleet.

On the operating side, though, I think the biggest part of it, to your point, is steady, reliable, multi-year operating funds that you can plan on. The biggest challenge of running a community organization is not knowing what your budget is going to be 12 months from now. That's especially true when producers are planning their production based on your operation.

We worked really closely with the Cape Breton Food Hub to seed ours. They were our inspiration. We talk to them all the time. They are amazing people. We've learned a lot from them. One of the things we've learned from them is that predictability is part of the value proposition for producers.

11:40 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Second Harvest Canada

Lori Nikkel

Can I speak to that for just one second?

At Second Harvest, the school food program came to us because they needed cut carrots. We had to build out a microprocessing centre so that they could have local cut carrots in the schools. Otherwise, they were going to get processed food.

Our truck used to cost us $135,000. Now it's $250,000. Our cost for third party logistics across the country has skyrocketed. We're looking at an increase of $2.5 million next year alone. Operating third party as we build in the manufacturing, we have to hire 12 to 15 people to make a go. There's just cost after cost after inflation after inflation, so here we are. We need your help, man.

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Mike Kelloway Liberal Sydney—Glace Bay, NS

Thank you, Lori. I appreciate that.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

I'll go to the Bloc and Mr. Lemire. We have enough time for two minutes.

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Cantafio, I'll give you time to continue your remarks.

11:40 a.m.

Director, Atlantic Food Action Coalition

Justin Cantafio

That's nice of you. Thank you.

I did just want to elaborate a bit on the concept of community wealth building as a framework that I think could be very helpful for this idea of addressing food insecurity in the wake of global instability and all these increasing pressures.

Scotland as a sovereign nation just adopted community wealth building as a framework at the federal level a number of weeks ago. They're using it to ensure something that Joseph Howe, a person from my neck of the woods, talked about: “What is for the public good?” Every time we stimulate the local economy, is it for the public good? We should double-check.

Community wealth building has five pillars. I won't name them all, but one of the pillars is progressive procurement. It's making sure you use your public tax dollars to do the public good. To Mr. Lemire's question, we have these very isolated communities, many of which have provincially and/or federally funded institutions with significant food purchasing budgets. If you relocalize even 30%, which I think needs to be the bare minimum, you subtly create the type of economic demand and churn necessary to incentivize the additional food infrastructure you might need.

If I'm a rural abattoir, I might not exist anymore and you might need somebody to drive over with a truck. I've seen that in Quebec. Maybe, though, if you have an army base or a school or a jail preferentially sourcing all their beef locally, for example, suddenly you may be incentivized to make the economic case to mobilize that institution as an anchor institution to create the local food ecosystem that you need.

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I agree.

Your point is important. The challenge is often to maintain consistent production in the regions. By focusing on the institutional sector and having obligations, we can support that sector and ensure profitability.

I still want to emphasize the importance of not having liabilities or debts passed on to consumers in the regions. We can do this, especially if risk management is shared and largely shouldered by the governments.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Thank you very much.

Thank you to our witnesses.

Was that Joseph Howe the former premier of Nova Scotia?

11:45 a.m.

Director, Atlantic Food Action Coalition

Justin Cantafio

You got it.

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The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

That was a good reference.

Thank you very much to our witnesses. It was very informative. We appreciate your time.

We will stop for five minutes while we transition to the next group.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

I'd like to welcome everyone back.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, September 18, 2025, the committee is resuming its study on food security in the face of global instability.

I'd like to welcome our witnesses. All of them are online.

From Greener Village, we have Alex Boyd.

We have, from La Tablée des Chefs, Jean-François Archambault.

From the Salvation Army, we have Luke Orrell and Karen Hoeft.

Thank you so much for being here. You each have five minutes as organizations. Please, just as a reminder, if you do have something to say, you can use the “raise hand” function.

We'll start with the Salvation Army for five minutes. Welcome.

Karen Hoeft Assistant Public Affairs Director, Salvation Army

Good morning, Mr. Chair and honourable members.

On behalf of the Salvation Army, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to your study on food security in the face of global instability.

As the largest non-government provider of social services in Canada, this is something we see every day in the 400 communities—urban, suburban, rural, remote and northern—that we serve across our country from coast to coast to coast. The one thing that is similar in every jurisdiction, in every unit across our nation, is food security issues.

The food policy for Canada's vision is that “All people in Canada are able to access a sufficient amount of safe, nutritious, and culturally diverse food.” Food security is fundamentally about access, ensuring that people living in Canada have reliable access to nutritious food. The access to food is what we would like to speak to today.

Individuals and families are turning to community food hubs when food insecurity means that there's not enough food at home for their dinner. The Salvation Army has been working to strengthen food security and to improve support for the people we serve across our country. The people we serve, who are on limited incomes—seniors, single-income families, minimum wage earners and those on income assistance programs—face barriers to accessing local food. They're usually limited to the cheapest, mass-produced food, sourced from distant locations. Food security requires support to ensure access to locally produced food.

As this committee has heard previously, food affordability and access are closely tied to the people and labour supporting every stage of that system. Community organizations continue to face the same rising costs for food, labour and operations as other sectors, so food distributed through the charitable and not-for-profit sector requires significant supports beyond the food itself. Those include staffing, program space, transportation, storage and essential supplies—the elements that are necessary to ensure safe and dignified service delivery and that contribute meaningfully to the overall cost of food programming.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, when global supply chains fractured and many more people than usual in our community faced food insecurity in the face of global instability, the federal government recognized this. Through the emergency food security fund, the government stepped up with direct funding for frontline community networks, of which we as the Salvation Army were one. This model proved that predictable federal investments allow local organizations to stabilize procurement, absorb market shocks and safely bridge the gap between Canadian producers and vulnerable households.

Now, in the face of ongoing global instability and inflation, that baseline support is more urgent than ever. As household budgets tighten, community needs are trending up at the exact moment that donations are dipping. We cannot build a resilient, sovereign food system on unpredictable, reactive charity alone.

In our pre-budget submission, we called for the establishment of a permanent, stable $300-million federal food security fund. This fund would represent a substantial step forward in supporting local community food procurement. It would give community hubs the financial predictability and stability to invest directly in the Canadian food chain. With permanent funding, the ability to scale innovative local initiatives that empower low-income families, seniors and remote communities to directly purchase fresh, locally grown food becomes a possibility.

With the upcoming national food security strategy, I look forward to discussing how, together, we can strengthen food security and ensure access to local food production for all people living in Canada through a strong and effective food policy.

Thank you. I look forward to your questions.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Thank you very much. We appreciate your being a witness here today.

Next, we'll go to Greener Village.

Alex Boyd Chief Executive Officer, Greener Village

Through the chair, I want to start by expressing my appreciation for the opportunity to speak with you about the state of the work we are doing and how the instability we see globally impacts food security locally.

My name is Alex Boyd. I'm the CEO of Greener Village in Fredericton, New Brunswick.

Greener Village has been serving people living with food insecurity in Fredericton for over 40 years. We have witnessed over the course of the last 40 years an ever-expanding group of people in our community who are facing food insecurity and the inevitable hunger that comes when people have insufficient access to food. This hunger that food banks seek to satiate is damaging. It impacts our longevity, limits our potential, compromises our security and erodes our community cohesion. We have witnessed first-hand in just the last few years the deep impact global factors like pandemics, hyperinflation and war have on food insecurity factors at home. In the past five years alone, the number of people Greener Village is serving has increased by 135%. This is largely, if not overwhelmingly, driven by global factors.

It seems very clear from the lived experiences of agencies just like Greener Village, which is working directly with food-insecure people, that we can't overstate how difficult things become when we see global instability. This instability around the globe continues to impact the most the people who can influence it the least. It's why, as a country, we need to take a much more local approach to our food chain.

Buying local can be extremely difficult for people, especially for people facing food insecurity and the organizations, like Greener Village, that serve them. Local food is often in less processed forms, which is great for quality and health but more difficult for longevity and efficiency. Both individuals and agencies are often limited by access to cold storage to keep foods at their appropriate holding temperature for food safety and quality. Food banks have especially struggled as they seek to meet an ever-increasing demand, coupled with significant increases to the cost of each item provided to client families.

When you couple the challenges mentioned above with the uncertain access to resources when they're needed, both individuals and the agencies supporting them find themselves facing a very challenging question: Do I take the risk on local or play it safe with the convenience of shelf-stable, heavily processed foods?

Despite the convenience, we all know there are challenges involved with food that is grown on one continent and then shipped, processed or even sold on another continent. Not the least of these challenges is the cost, both fiscal and environmental, of the fuel and infrastructure needed to ensure that these supply chains continue to work.

We need to look towards investing in local infrastructure projects that make access to local food easier to handle and create more meaningful connections to our existing agriculture. By creating these connection points, we will give our agricultural sector a much needed boost to its customer base.

Unfortunately, food banks are not often seen as prime partners for local agriculture, and we continue to face infrastructure barriers to using fresh food products that may become available, especially on a large scale. Due to challenges within infrastructure, many food banks rely on heavily processed, shelf-stable products that are not typically from local sources and may not even be the most healthy.

While these barriers remain true, there is also a significant opportunity for local agriculture in partnership with food banks. Food Banks Canada's 2025 “Hunger Count” report noted a staggering 2.165 million visits to food banks each month. These visits reflect a massive volume of food that is being procured through food donations or with donated funds to food banks. What could and would our system look like if all of the donated funds that are purchasing food could be worked into the local agriculture system? Even if $25 of local products could be secured per visit, that would equate to over $50 million in spending every month. Instead of funds being used to ship products around the world in heavily processed formats, we would invest in the Canadian distribution of products that can be processed locally for families in need.

That's why Greener Village is nearing completion of a construction project to build our Thrive Perishable Food Rescue Centre. This new facility's purpose is very simple: saving viable fresh food from waste and investing in locally grown products. The centre will be able to receive and process fresh produce into freezer-stable products that will be distributed to food banks all throughout New Brunswick.

Greener Village and its partners, Feed NB and Food Banks Canada, are already creating partnerships with local producers to create healthy, local food that can be processed and distributed. This means higher-quality foods for the people I mentioned above, improving health and providing better nutrition so that people can perform better at work or school.

Our Thrive Perishable Food Rescue Centre is already a successful pilot for reimagining how food banks can reduce food waste and process local agricultural products for those most in need. Other jurisdictions are already deep in the planning stages for more food rescue centres across the country. Innovation like this is why any future food security strategy must include the food banking network as a partner. Creating infrastructure for meaningful connections to our local agriculture should remain an important priority and a method by which we can limit the instability we see globally and create a more food-secure country.

Thank you for inviting me. I look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Thank you very much. We appreciate your testimony today.

Next, we'll go to La Tablée des Chefs. You have five minutes.

Jean-François Archambault Founder and Chief Executive Officer, La Tablée des Chefs

Thank you for inviting me to participate in your study.

First, I would like to give you a brief overview of the work carried out at La Tablée des Chefs. La Tablée des Chefs' mission focuses on two components, which are feeding and educating.

Under the “feed” component, we have a program to recover surplus food from the hospitality, restaurant, event and institutional sectors, meaning food services across Canada. We currently distribute over 3.3 million servings across the country, in addition to what frontline organizations receive from food banks or other sources. Over 450 of our facilities participate in the program, including sports arenas and major event venues.

I would also like to tell you that La Tablée des Chefs has launched a program under its “feed” component that ties in with the national school food program. Our organization also provides soup. The solidarity soups program began two years ago in five elementary schools in the Montérégie region. It provides special food options and is now available in over 92 elementary schools. It also includes pilot projects in Winnipeg and Niagara Falls.

We operate in 375 public high schools, including 300 in Quebec and over 75 in eight other Canadian provinces. We work in both official languages, in English and French. We provide the kitchen brigades program in all these locations.

We also operate in over 80 locations under the youth protection branch throughout Quebec. We distribute over 6,000 starter kits to introduce young people to cooking. These young people are in transition. They will gradually shift towards independent living. These young people, aged 15 to 25, come from youth protection systems across the province. Over 20% of them live in indigenous communities. They're embarking on this crucial transition to independent living.

We work in the culinary industry. During the pandemic, we mobilized over 60 kitchens across Canada—

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

I'm sorry. I have to interrupt for a second.

Can you please lower your microphone? The interpreters are hearing some feedback. Take the microphone in front of you, on the arm, and lower it so it's a bit more aligned.

I'm sorry for interrupting. Please proceed.

12:05 p.m.

Founder and Chief Executive Officer, La Tablée des Chefs

Jean-François Archambault

No worries. Thank you.

La Tablée des Chefs is mobilizing the culinary community. During the pandemic, chefs prepared 4.4 million meals throughout Canada. Some 15,000 tonnes of food was sent to prepare meals across the country and distributed throughout 18 months of the pandemic.

I want to outline a couple of things that are crucial to our food recovery program.

Right now, we have the ambition. We think three million meals is just the tip of the iceberg. We think we can probably get five, six or seven times that quantity of food if we continue to mobilize the hospitality sector.

There's a misconception on the part of some of the inspection agencies across the country. There needs to be some more flexibility on that aspect in looking at the work we've been doing in Quebec in mobilizing the hospitality sector and allowing for prepared food that's been handled by chefs to be recovered and distributed to frontline agencies that are struggling to source food.

The other aspect is that a couple of weeks ago, Prime Minister Starmer launched a national program to triple the amount of surplus food that is collected through the fight against food waste in the U.K. It's bringing all community organizations together

You've heard Lori Nikkel. We work hand in hand with Second Harvest, many of the food banks in this country, the Salvation Army and many other partners. You have the ecosystem present on the social side of things. Now we have to get this ambition. It needs to start, not by looking at just the business sector, the corporate sector or the public sector for these big, national projects that Prime Minister Carney has launched, but by looking at food security as one of those projects. You have that infrastructure in place with us to work together, hand in hand, to reach that ambition. In Canada, triple the amount of food that is recovered and distributed to frontline agencies across this country. We can do five or six times that just by ourselves in mobilizing Destination Canada and sustainable tourism, getting all hotels and convention spaces on board and continuing to work hand in hand with community frontline organizations.

On food education, I think it is crucial that the national school food program bring in food literacy. I know it's built into the program, but when you negotiate with the provinces, it is important to be clear that it's not just food distribution. Food literacy is a big part of getting someone to learn how to cook and contribute—

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

I will stop you there. Thank you so much. Thank you for your patience during that slight delay.

We'll go to the Conservatives now for six minutes.

Go ahead, Mr. Gourde.

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Archambault, I would like to come back to your remarks on the vision of La Tablée des Chefs and its supply practices in particular. I found this interesting.

Would you like to finish sharing your thoughts on this topic?

12:10 p.m.

Founder and Chief Executive Officer, La Tablée des Chefs

Jean-François Archambault

I think that everything is in place for the players to make a bigger impact. We need to send a message to business owners and major groups, such as Hotels Canada or hotel owner groups.

Unless our Prime Minister and public institutions demonstrate leadership and resolve at the grassroots level across all the sectors solicited, this commitment won't be taken seriously. People will continue to carry on as usual. This means that we'll need to keep working on a piecemeal basis and reaching out to try to convince them.

We currently have access to all National Hockey League arenas across the country. We just won the 2026 F1® Allwyn Global Community Award in recognition of our recovery efforts. We fed 50,000 people in four days by recovering 16 tonnes of food at the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal a few weekends ago. Events of this nature, where food is thrown away, are taking place all over the country right now.

So, if we don't send a clear message to event promoters to ensure that they implement these practices, if this isn't done at the highest levels of our country, which is demonstrating a serious national commitment to reducing food waste—we have the organizations to make this happen—then what are we waiting for?

We can't wait any longer. Food surpluses are extremely expensive. Through our program, it costs 25 cents to recover food. It costs La Tablée des Chefs 25 cents to deliver a meal to a frontline organization that serves homeless people to help families in need.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Mr. Archambault, your work is always a race against the clock. We know that food preservation is quite difficult and complicated.

Would you need refrigerated or frozen storage facilities? Could this help you?

What do you need to get the job done?

12:10 p.m.

Founder and Chief Executive Officer, La Tablée des Chefs

Jean-François Archambault

We certainly have needs in the events sector. The promoters help us, but not enough to set up the necessary refrigeration logistics at event venues. We need to make planning a priority.

Let's look at the current example of FIFA. In Vancouver, we're working with our partner organizations to move a refrigerator. The Salvation Army will be collecting surplus food from FIFA during the matches held in Vancouver. We're currently looking into the possibility of moving a two‑door refrigerator to the event venue. I've been told that the venue no longer has enough space to handle the food collection, even though we could collect roughly 20,000 food servings over two weeks of matches.

If we fail to set priorities in advance and make our message clear, and we then require promoters to provide community organizations with the infrastructure needed to combat food waste and make an environmental and social impact to feed people, we're doomed to fail.

I think that it's crucial to prioritize food recovery and to send a clear message. All our partners are on board to join the movement.