Evidence of meeting #6 for Canadian Heritage in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was important.
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2:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
I'm sorry, Monsieur Rayes. I thought you had a point of order. Because these are inadmissible, we are unable to debate them. I cannot engage in a debate on something that is not admissible.
We now have to go to deliberation of the clause.
That being said, I return to the original question. Shall clause 1 carry?
(Clause 1 agreed to)
2:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Now, clause 2.... I'll just walk you through this. CPC-2 was inadmissible by virtue of the ruling on CPC-1; therefore, we go straight to the question.
Shall clause 2 carry?
2:50 p.m.
Conservative
Scott Aitchison Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON
Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. I don't know whether this is a point of order or not, but as a rookie in the room here, I'm going to ask you about your ruling and about the intention.
The intention of the actual motion is of course to implement one of the calls to action from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission—
2:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Mr. Aitchison, I'm sorry. I think I've heard enough at this point. I've tried to be generous, but if it's inadmissible, I can't engage in debate about the amendment. If it is not admissible based on the fact that it goes beyond the principle and scope—
2:50 p.m.
Conservative
2:50 p.m.
Liberal
2:50 p.m.
Conservative
Scott Aitchison Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON
What I'm wondering is whether we can challenge your ruling, because—
2:50 p.m.
Conservative
Scott Aitchison Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON
Okay. I'm new here. I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to figure out how to do this.
2:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
That's quite all right. Quite frankly, I should have mentioned that.
Go ahead.
2:50 p.m.
Conservative
Scott Aitchison Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON
My point is that if in fact the intention of the resolution is not just to create a holiday, but to actually—
2:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Mr. Aitchison, I hate to do this to you, but when it's inadmissible, we cannot engage in a debate.
What you can do is challenge the ruling. That is a dilatory motion. It has to be voted on right away. However, I cannot engage in a debate on the merits of the amendment that was ruled inadmissible.
Are you asking to challenge the ruling?
2:50 p.m.
Conservative
Scott Aitchison Conservative Parry Sound—Muskoka, ON
I am asking to challenge the ruling so that I can make my point about why I think your ruling is wrong.
2:50 p.m.
Liberal
2:50 p.m.
The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Thomas Bigelow
To be clear, the question is, shall the chair's ruling stand?
So that everyone is clear, this would be the chair's ruling that CPC-1 is inadmissible, and thereby CPC-2, CPC-3 and CPC-7 are inadmissible.
(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 4)
2:50 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Therefore, the ruling stands. Once again, as I mentioned prior to that, CPC-2, in the amendments that you see in your docket, is also inadmissible.
Shall clause 2 carry?
I'm sorry. I know I'm being repetitive, but I have to go back, following the ruling.
(Clause 2 agreed to)
2:55 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
On clause 3, again, you'll notice in your documents that you have CPC-3. That, too, was inadmissible regarding the ruling from CPC-1.
Shall clause 3 carry?
(Clause 3 agreed to)
On clause 4, we have CPC-4, or I could just continue on.
Mr. Waugh.
2:55 p.m.
Conservative
Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK
I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. I should have raised my hand. I withdraw that.
I've withdrawn CPC-4, CPC-5 and CPC-6 in the package.
2:55 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Okay. Just give me one moment.
Tom, if you're there, perhaps you can confer with Philippe. Mr. Waugh, as you've just heard, is withdrawing his motions. Do I still have to deliberate on them?
2:55 p.m.
Legislative Clerk
That's right, the legislative clerk.
No, Mr. Waugh simply withdrew his motions. He is not going to move them. That's all he's doing.
You can continue with the clauses then.
2:55 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Scott Simms
Thank you, Monsieur Méla. I wanted to make sure that what I was doing was right. It happens a lot.
(Clauses 4 to 6 inclusive agreed to)
Shall the title carry?