Evidence of meeting #19 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mike Mercredi  Member, Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation
Renée Caron  Executive Director, Legislative Governance, Department of the Environment
Sarah Cosgrove  Manager, Legislative Advice Section, Department of the Environment
Darlene Pearson  Legislation and Policy, Parks Canada Agency
Lucie Bourbonnière  Senior Counsel, Parks Canada, Legal Services, Department of Justice
Wayne Cole  Procedural Clerk
Gillian Grant  Legal Counsel, Transport Canada, Department of Justice
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Normand Radford

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

I don't remember. Were there?

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Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

The clerk is saying no.

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Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Is there discussion on G-19? It doesn't look like it.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 117 agreed to)

(Clause 118 as amended agreed to)

(Clauses 119 to 121 inclusive agreed to)

(On clause 122)

On amendment G-20 in regard to clause 122, Mr. Woodworth.

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Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Thank you.

Again this relates to the suite of powers that have been previously discussed. I move G-20 as it appears before you, with the following friendly amendments.

First, in new proposed paragraph 22.12(1)(f.2), by adding after the words “an educational institution” the word “including”, and in (f.3), replacing.... I think in (f.3), if I'm not mistaken, I'm safe to add as a friendly amendment, after the words “their work in”, the additional words “or for”.

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Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

The clerk has a question.

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Procedural Clerk

Wayne Cole

Could we ask the officials if the word “and” is necessary at the end of the amendment?

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Executive Director, Legislative Governance, Department of the Environment

Renée Caron

No. The word “and” was inserted in error, Mr. Chairman.

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Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

I would like to amend or modify my original motion to propose that the word “and” at the end of (f.3) not be included in the motion, that it be struck.

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Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I guess we're in agreement with that, that the word “and” be struck.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Did you have a friendly amendment, Mr. Woodworth, in (f.1) and (f.2), or in (f.2) in particular?

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Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

In (f.2) I have suggested a friendly amendment to add the word “including” after the words “an educational institution”.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Right. Thank you.

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Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

In (f.3) I have suggested a friendly amendment after the words “their work in” to add the words “or for”.

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NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I would like to speak to that amendment, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Go ahead, Ms. Duncan.

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NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Given the nature of the act, and given the fact that in most cases the federal law is going to apply in places where there is no community anywhere near what they're regulating, I would like to recommend that it instead say “in their work related to wildlife protection”, and take out “in the community near the place where the offence was committed”.

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Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Or “just related to the place”.

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NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

“Place” may not be relevant, given the act we're discussing, because it relates to the protection of wildlife.

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Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Mr. Woodworth.

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Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Mr. Chair, I worry that we've already done too much violence to the intention of trying to bring uniformity among the various acts and similarities, so I'm not favourably inclined to accept Ms. Duncan's suggestion as a friendly amendment.

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Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay. Mr. McGuinty.

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Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

May I ask Mr. Woodworth what he proposes, then, to sharpen this up?

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Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Mr. Woodworth.

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Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

I thought that “in or for” would be workable, but I suppose I might, if I heard Mr. Trudeau correctly, accede to his suggestion, which would be to make it read “to assist in their work related to the place where the offence was committed”.

Noon

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Mr. Trudeau.