Evidence of meeting #17 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.
A recording is available from Parliament.
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be splitting my time with Mr. Thibault.
First of all, Mrs. Cameron, I'm going to rephrase the question that Mr. Hiebert asked and let Canadians be their own judge, because you're not a judge or a lawyer.
Are you aware of any political person or any member of the crown corporation who received any money through Mr. Schreiber?
4:35 p.m.
As an Individual
I apologize. I would actually have to go through my books. I can't answer that right away. I just really am not so sure. I think I'd have to have a look.
4:35 p.m.
Liberal
Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC
How about any person on the board of the crown corporation, on the board of Air Canada? Are you aware of any person receiving money?
4:35 p.m.
As an Individual
Mr. Moores, of course, received millions of dollars. He was on the board of Air Canada. But he did have to resign from the board of Air Canada, as we know. It was thanks to a story from my former colleague Mr. Fife that he resigned.
There are others, probably, but in this room, in this situation, I would really be much more comfortable looking that up and letting you know.
4:40 p.m.
Liberal
Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Newton—North Delta, BC
Sure.
Were you able to count the round figure? They were talking about $20 million or $30 million of kickbacks or success fees, or whatever they want to call it. Have you accounted for a certain number of dollars?
4:40 p.m.
As an Individual
Yes, we have counted that money. It's about $25 million. Mr. Schreiber divided it very evenly, right down the middle, to the penny, from the banking records we've seen, between the Europeans and the Canadians. I think Mr. Pelossi told you this morning, if I'm not mistaken, that Mr. Schreiber told him—this is what somebody said to somebody, so take that for what it's worth—that a quarter was for Mr. Strauss, a quarter was for Mr. Mulroney, a quarter was for the Canadian lobbyists, and a quarter was for the Europeans involved in the case.
4:40 p.m.
Liberal
February 14th, 2008 / 4:40 p.m.
Liberal
Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS
Thank you.
I have some quick snappers, Madame Cameron. Thank you for coming, and don't worry about not being sued for your work. It's no great pleasure.
4:40 p.m.
Liberal
Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS
You talked about the Bank of Montreal account 830 that was managed or fundraised by Mr. Charbonneau.
4:40 p.m.
As an Individual
Excuse me, Mr. Thibault, it wasn't the Bank of Montreal. I think it was Montreal Trust.
4:40 p.m.
Liberal
Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS
Montreal Trust, sorry.
You said that money was for the use of Mr. Mulroney.
4:40 p.m.
As an Individual
Yes, it was. I've reported on that extensively in On The Take.
4:40 p.m.
Liberal
4:40 p.m.
As an Individual
No, I don't know. It was when Mr. Mulroney was running for the leadership that it started. It was Nova Scotia fundraisers who first told me about it, and then an Ontario one.
4:40 p.m.
Liberal
Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS
—he told you that he went to see Fred Doucet for money on multiple occasions?
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Liberal
4:40 p.m.
As an Individual
He told me he didn't always go, and I think you'll find it in the transcripts I gave you today. He said sometimes Bonnie Brownlee went. I called Bonnie Brownlee, who was Mrs. Mulroney's assistant, and she said yes.... I was on a television show with Robby McRobb, who was sort of a person who did household chores and errands....
4:40 p.m.
Liberal
Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS
I know we're running out of time, but have you ever heard the term for Fred Doucet as Brian Mulroney's “money man”?
