Evidence of meeting #46 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was witnesses.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gary Caldwell  As an Individual
Réjean Fauteux  As an Individual
Ann Fortier  As an Individual
Joe Goudie  As an Individual
Louise O'Sullivan  As an Individual
Liberato Martelli  As an Individual

10:40 a.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Neither your official agent nor, to your knowledge, anyone from your campaign?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Did you have any apprehensions about how the arrangement being suggested to you was going to work?

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As an Individual

Gary Caldwell

I trusted Mr. Rivard, whom I had known since the 2004 election. He is a very reasonable man and a gentleman. I had confidence in him. We were in the heat of the action. I therefore agreed to what he suggested.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

If I have correctly understood what you have just told me, money was deposited into your election campaign account, and almost immediately afterwards, it was withdrawn.

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As an Individual

Gary Caldwell

Yes, within two to three days. There were a few technical difficulties, but I think it took six days.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Mr. Caldwell, at any time, did your campaign have any control whatsoever over the money that was deposited into your account? We are speaking of a bank account.

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

There was no control. Did your campaign have any influence over how this money was going to be spent?

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As an Individual

Gary Caldwell

No, we did not see the contracts.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

To your knowledge, could your campaign have used this money as it saw fit? Could you have decided to do whatever you wanted with the money that had been deposited into your campaign account by the Conservative Party of Canada?

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As an Individual

Gary Caldwell

Yes, of course we could have spent it locally, but we did not ask to do so.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

You could have quickly spent this money before the Conservative Party of Canada withdrew it from your account.

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Gary Caldwell

No, but we had agreed, before accepting the money, to return it.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

You had agreed not to use it.

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As an Individual

Gary Caldwell

That's right.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Did the Conservative Party of Canada ever assure your campaign that the transactions it was being asked to do, namely the ins and outs for advertising purposes throughout Quebec, were fully in keeping with the act that governs the way in which elections are run?

10:40 a.m.

As an Individual

Gary Caldwell

I asked Mr. Rivard some questions, and he was my only contact on this. He told me that it was for local advertising. As I said, I trusted Mr. Rivard because I knew him.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

You told us that you respected him.

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Was it ever implied that these transactions could be serious, or were there any suspicions that there might be anything fraudulent or illegal about them?

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

I have a point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I will hear it at the end of the questioning.

Thank you.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Mr. Caldwell, once everything became public, did the Conservative Party of Canada ever contact you to ask you not to talk about it with Elections Canada, the media or this committee?