Evidence of meeting #46 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was witnesses.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gary Caldwell  As an Individual
Réjean Fauteux  As an Individual
Ann Fortier  As an Individual
Joe Goudie  As an Individual
Louise O'Sullivan  As an Individual
Liberato Martelli  As an Individual

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

He had you sign here and there, you and your official agent.

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Mr. Martelli, since Mr. Rivard of the Conservative Party asked you to stop speaking to Elections Canada, I suppose you had other meetings or conversations with Elections Canada.

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

Every time Elections Canada called me, I always cooperated.

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Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Thank you, Mr. Martelli.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Thank you.

Madame Lavallée.

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Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Thank you, Mr. Martelli.

What was the $14,000 amount paid into your account to be used for?

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

I have no idea Ms. Lavallée. All I was told was that it was a straightforward in-and-out, with no explanation.

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Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Were you given an invoice?

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

I was told that invoices would be prepared.

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Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Did you see these invoices?

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

Never, Ms. Lavallée.

August 11th, 2008 / 2:40 p.m.

Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Did your official agent see them?

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

Not even him.

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Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

I do not know whether you are aware of the five criteria used by the Chief Electoral Officer. You did not see the documentation, you did not sign the contract and you did not know what the money was used for. You could not even assume that the money was used for an advertising campaign.

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

Nothing at all, Ms. Lavallée.

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Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

Nothing at all. You had not a word to say about anything.

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As an Individual

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Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

I have a list of the candidates who were involved in the Conservative Party's scheme, and curiously, you are not on that list.

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

That's odd. For Elections Canada to call me, someone must have done something. I don't think that Elections Canada would take the trouble of bothering me for nothing. To begin with, during my campaign, there were only three of us, and I repeat that my expenses only totalled $1,000. Then, when the party, Mr. Benoît Larocque who was here at the time with Mr. Pierre Coulombe... As he said, he never explained anything.

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Bloc

Carole Lavallée Bloc Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, QC

You, who were directly involved in this affair, know that overspending beyond the ceiling by the Conservative Party, by approximately $1.3 million, is nearly all listed by the Chief Electoral Officer in a table that is among the documents we received. Your name is not on that list.

Does this mean that there is another scheme, another form of advertising expenses?

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

I never saw anything else. My adversaries here perhaps cooked everything up. After the 2006 election—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I will hear a point of order in a second.

Carry on.

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As an Individual

Liberato Martelli

After the election, in the summer of 2006, meetings were held. The curious thing is that the media were saying that all the other parties were having trouble except the Conservative Party, which had a surplus of between 3 and $5 million. That is why Mr. Harper was always in election mode, as he said. I asked myself at the time why the other parties did not have more money and why the Conservative Party had some.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Order, please. Let the witness answer.