Evidence of meeting #13 for Finance in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was audit.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sheila Fraser  Auditor General of Canada
Jamie Hood  Principal, Office of the Auditor General of Canada

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

I accept your advice and I rule the subamendment out of order. We'll go back to the discussion on the amendment.

Not seeing a desire to continue that discussion at this moment...apart from Mr. St-Cyr, who wishes to make a brief comment, which is where we got started on this line in the first place.

Mr. St-Cyr.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Mr. Chairman, we had suggested these people's names because we thought it would be good for them to be there. If the motion is passed as amended, we will ask again for them to be there and the other parties will be free to add other names.

I'm astonished to see that the Conservative members think this motion is partisan, given that they voted in favour of it last time around. I don't think they were neutral last time around.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Let's vote now.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Mr. St-Cyr, thank you very much for that intervention.

Now we're moving to the vote on the amendment to the motion.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Mr. Chairman, I'd like to raise a point of order.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Monsieur Crête, you have a question.

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

I'd like to have a recorded division, please.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Certainly.

Is it a point of order, Mr. Pacetti?

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

I don't know; it might be a point of order.

We never addressed this motion the last time, so I can't see how it was proven that the Conservatives voted for it. So let's not put words in people's mouths.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Pacetti, for that additional intervention.

We're moving to a recorded vote on the amendment.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 5 ; nays 3 ) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

We'll now vote on the motion as amended. Seeing no discussion, I call for the recorded vote.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

I can move my amendment again, can't I, at this point?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Only if I back up, and I'm calling for the vote.

(Motion as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Thank you, colleagues. That motion is passed.

Now we have a motion to establish a subcommittee for new technologies. You have copies of this, I believe. This is our third item of business. Is there any discussion on this motion?

Mr. St-Cyr, a question before we proceed?

5:25 p.m.

Bloc

Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

Could you tell me when this motion was distributed to committee members?

I know we discussed this last time, but, to my knowledge, this is the first time I've seen this wording. If I've neglected to check all of my e-mails, I'll say no more, but if it's the first time, I'd like to have time to consult.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Mr. St-Cyr, first of all, this is not a substantive motion, which requires notice. Second, this stems from a discussion of your steering committee. For that reason, I'll move now to the vote on the motion, unless I see further desire for discussion. No? We'll move to the vote then.

(Motion agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Point of order, Mr. Pacetti.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Yes. We had on the original orders of the day that the Minister of Finance was to appear. I want to know what happened. I also made a formal request, and I'm not sure if it is formal, that the Minister of National Revenue appear as well, preferably Wednesday at the latest, if need be tomorrow, for us to continue the CRA review.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

I'm informed by my friends here that the minister had an unforeseeable event occur, which prohibited him from appearing. Now, are we trying to get him for Wednesday again? We have CRA, so we can. All right, we'll inquire as to availability Wednesday. The revenue minister was not available either day because of her schedule. However, it should be noted that the review of Canada Revenue Agency continues in the fall. There's no time concern in that respect.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

We should try to put some of these issues to bed.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

Mr. Pacetti, we do have officials from Canada Revenue Agency appearing on Wednesday.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

If I could make another request, when the ministers do appear we need at least an hour and a half. An hour is not enough--minimum an hour and a half, and preferably two hours.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

You'd prefer that.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Yes.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

We'll do what we can in that respect. Thank you, Mr. Pacetti.

The meeting is adjourned.