Evidence of meeting #45 for Finance in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was subamendment.
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Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
Of course, because food inflation is different in different countries, and we have the highest food inflation in the G7. More and more retirees now are no longer homeowners because of the Liberal housing crisis that we live in.
Liberal
Jake Sawatzky Liberal New Westminster—Burnaby—Maillardville, BC
I have a point of order. We're on clause 43 right now. We've been on clause 43 for how long? It's been several hours.
Liberal
Jake Sawatzky Liberal New Westminster—Burnaby—Maillardville, BC
It's about seven hours on a clause. This could have been done in three hours. We are at, I believe, 14 hours now. We've talked about trees falling in the forest. I'm curious as to what's going to come up next. Is Sisyphus really happy? What's the answer to the trolley problem? There are so many random tangents being taken.
Nothing is getting done here. Taxpayer money is going into the resources here, into being extended. We're legislating on the fly. Random amendments are being created. It's being put into translation. We're waiting. Nothing's getting done here. Can we just please stick to the topic at hand? Be concise, stop repeating things and actually maybe get some stuff done, please. Thank you.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karina Gould
Thank you, Mr. Sawatzky.
Mr. Ho, you continue to have the floor. Could you please stick to the subamendment topic?
Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
We have the floor. We're running a $70-billion deficit. You divided it up. It's a lot of money.
Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
I never said anything about trees falling in the forest. Maybe you should just quote yourself, Jake.
Anyway, getting back to my point, for retirees it used to be that you could pay your basic necessities, like food, transportation, fuel, clothing and all that kind of stuff. You then had your housing costs, which were much lower, because you just had to pay for property taxes, maintenance fees—maintenance for the property—and utilities. You would hypothetically have paid off your mortgage within 25, 30 or 35 years.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karina Gould
Mr. Ho, can you bring this back to the subamendment, please, specifically, and what the subamendment number 5 for CPC-13 is?
Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
We're talking about specifics, so I'll read the words of the subamendment that relate to the argument I'm making. It is with respect to funding levels, advanced funding, reliance on investment income and the long-term financing of promised benefits.
That's of the three countries, right? It's the United States, Australia.... I'm just reading the last portion of that subamendment. I can read the whole subamendment if you want me to, but I'll read the second half, starting at this, “between the Canada Pension Plan and public or mandatory pension systems in other jurisdictions, including the United States, Australia and Sweden, with respect to funding levels, advance—
Liberal
Bloc
Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC
Madam Chair, I don't know whether it's possible, by checking the blues, to confirm that the subamendment had already been read out before. Maybe I missed it, but it seems to me that it had already been read out once.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karina Gould
You're right, Mr. Garon. We have already stated the subamendment.
Mr. Ho, again, please, pursuant to the Standing Orders, it's important not to be repetitive.
If you have new points to add or new things to say, Mr. Ho, you may continue. However, avoid repetition and stay focused on the subamendment to the clause that we're currently considering.
Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
Thank you for the kind reminders from the chair and all our colleagues, but I was accused of not relating my points to the subamendment. That's why I am reading the parts of the subamendment that are relevant to the argument I'm making at hand. I'm not even reading the whole subamendment, because I don't want to put the committee through reading the entire subamendment word for word. I'm just reading portions. Then I got accused of reading the wrong subamendment. No, I'm reading the correct subamendment.
Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
I'll go back to the argument I'm making. Now we have retirees who have to continue paying rent because the home ownership rates are—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karina Gould
Mr. Ho, you've repeated this point several times. Could you please start something new?
Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
I keep getting interrupted every time I make this point. I can't get to the point I'm trying to make.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karina Gould
There is a standing order that says that members are not supposed to be repetitive.
Conservative
Vincent Ho Conservative Richmond Hill South, ON
I haven't gotten to my point. I was trying to set up—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karina Gould
We are on clause-by-clause.
Mr. Ho, you have the floor, but you need to say something new on this.
There's a point of order from Mr. Lavoie.
Liberal
Steeve Lavoie Liberal Beauport—Limoilou, QC
Madam Chair, I would like to know if there's a limit to the number of times a colleague can be reminded.
You have reminded him several times now, and he's carrying on. I have never experienced that in my life. You have reminded him seven, eight or nine times, and he's continuing to repeat the same things.
Reminders have to be given gently and amicably, as Mr. Ho said, and they were given amicably. However, is there a maximum number of reminders that can be given?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Karina Gould
No, Mr. Lavoie, there is no maximum number of reminders, but there are the Standing Orders to follow, and we'll continue to remind the members of this committee to respect the Standing Orders and follow the committee's standards.
Mr. Ho, you continue to have the floor.