Evidence of meeting #49 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was review.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Alan H. Kessel  Legal Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Sabine Nölke  Director, United Nations, Human Rights and Economic Law Division, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Erin McKey  Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice Canada
Louis-Martin Aumais  Deputy Director, Criminal, Security and Privileges and Immunities Law Section, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
René Magloire  Special Advisor to the President of Haiti, Legal Affairs, As an Individual

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

What's your compromise?

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NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

It was written by people who were looking at writing the law.

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

If you don't like the title, what's your compromise?

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NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

What the title is on the front. Respect Canadians and their intelligence. You don't have to put it in monosyllabic phrases.

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

Am I to understand you don't want a title at all?

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NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

No short title.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Okay, no short title?

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Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

What about the Freezing Assets of Foreign Officials Act? Isn't that what we're doing?

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NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

It's a little bit of alliteration, at least.

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

We'll have to check with the officials here.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Hold on one second.

Mr. Dorion.

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Bloc

Jean Dorion Bloc Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, QC

What has been suggested—I am not sure by whom, since I listen to the interpretation and do not always hear the speakers' voices—is to call it the “Freezing Assets of Foreign Officials Act.” I think this summarizes the whole idea well and is an appropriate short version of the long title of the act. However, if we use the wording “corrupt regimes,” we are introducing an idea that is not at all clearly expressed in the long title.

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Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Number one. That's why.

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Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

That's the one that was written by your political advisers.

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NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Why not just take it out? Why do we have to have a short title?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

In the interest of time, why don't we just vote against the short title?

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Conservative

James Lunney Conservative Nanaimo—Alberni, BC

Wait. I've been trying to get on the agenda.

I agree with what Mr. Rae mentioned. All these guys have been asking questions for the last.... Mr. Dorion has been asking what the government is doing to freeze the assets. He used that language all the way through this debate. This bill is designed to address those concerns, so I think it is appropriate to use that language.

One suggestion we just heard had to do with freezing the assets of foreign officials. That might make some of our diplomats nervous around here. I think the word “corrupt” is probably helpful, because it's not just any old official. There is some sense of wrongdoing here.

So I think the short title speaks to what we're trying to accomplish here, and I'm not so sure what the angst is about.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Mr. Dorion.

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Bloc

Jean Dorion Bloc Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, QC

So why is the word “corrupt” not in the long title, if that is what we mean to say? In my opinion, the short version adds an element that does not appear in the long title.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Okay.

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Bloc

Jean Dorion Bloc Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, QC

I officially propose that we use the wording “corrupt officials and former officials of foreign states” in the long title. Why not?

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Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

Yes, but I think my friend has a good idea—get rid of it.

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Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Well, let's put instead the Freezing Assets of Corrupt Foreign Officials Act.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Is that a suggestion we'd look at?

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Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

But it's not just foreign officials. There is a whole list of everyone to whom it can apply.