Evidence of meeting #47 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was plan.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Édison Roy-César  Committee Researcher
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard
Laurent Champagne  President, Church Council on Justice and Corrections
Lorraine Berzins  Community Chair of Justice, Church Council on Justice and Corrections

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Colleagues, I see that we have a quorum. It's 11 o'clock, so could we get started?

Before we do, on behalf of the committee, I just want to offer congratulations to Chris Warkentin and his wife on the birth of a very large boy. Congratulations.

11 a.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Before I ask the minister to speak, Ms. Coady wants in.

11 a.m.

Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Thank you very much.

Again, Chris, congratulations.

May I make a suggestion? I ask the chair, and perhaps the President of the Treasury Board will be in compliance--we only have an hour with the minister this morning, and I was wondering if we could dispense with his opening statement. I understand copies will be distributed; perhaps we can go right into questions. That will give us the maximum amount of time to ask questions of the minister concerning his operating budget freeze. Is that possible?

Thank you.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

No. The clerk advises me that I need unanimous consent for that, and that's the end of that.

Is this a separate issue?

Mr. Calandra....

I'm sorry, Mr. Minister.

11 a.m.

Okanagan—Coquihalla B.C.

Conservative

Stockwell Day ConservativePresident of the Treasury Board and Minister for the Asia-Pacific Gateway

Is it within the rules of procedure for me to speak to that, just as the person who's invited to be here?

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I suppose we could recognize the minister, yes.

11 a.m.

Conservative

Stockwell Day Conservative Okanagan—Coquihalla, BC

I've been asked to be here for quite obvious reasons, not the least of which is to address a number of broad and sweeping statements, especially those as related to the Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, and I feel that not being able to open with some comments and observations would be somewhat counterproductive to me taking the time to be here. So I would appreciate the usual accord that is given to presenters and to be able to have some opening comments.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

You have the usual accord, Minister. It has to be unanimous consent for the committee to dispense with the opening statement.

Mr. Calandra.

11 a.m.

Conservative

Paul Calandra Conservative Oak Ridges—Markham, ON

On a separate issue, Mr. Chair, we have gone through this a number of times, and yet I think today we'll be seized yet again with an agenda that came upon us, or at least came upon me, by surprise yesterday afternoon.

I'm going to ask the clerk about this. When I saw the notice yesterday...in the second hour today we are to have the Church Council on Justice and Corrections appearing before us. I wonder if you could tell me how it is that they came to appear before us later this afternoon, if they are here to talk about the study on the budget freezes, and just explain to me how it's possible that we continuously have last-minute agenda items without the committee ever being made aware of it. Who actually sets the agenda for the committee, and why is it the members can never be made aware in advance?

I don't like preparing for a committee 10 minutes or 15 minutes before it happens. I wonder if the clerk could explain to me how it is that every time I come to this meeting there is a surprise witness.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

We'll deal with that item prior to the next witness, Mr. Calandra.

We have only an hour with the minister, and I think it would be appropriate that the minister lead with his opening statement at this point. Then we will address that issue prior to the second hour.

Is this on the same point, Mr. Cannan? You have a different point. Do you wish to raise it now or do you wish--

11 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I just want to clarify if the clerk or analyst has the library report of questions. We received it at 4:20 p.m. yesterday, but I didn't receive it until earlier this morning because it went to my staff and I was in another committee meeting. I'd like to get a hard copy if possible.

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Are we talking about the minister's remarks, or are we talking about the Library of Parliament--

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

The Library of Parliament, the questions for the minister's appearance here today. I'm just wondering why we received it so late, at the end of the day yesterday.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

I don't have an answer for that.

Mr. Cannan's question is why was it distributed so late, at 4:30 in the afternoon. Do you have an answer for that?

11:05 a.m.

Édison Roy-César Committee Researcher

That was due to a translation delay. Usually we are happy when we can get it the day before the meeting.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Can't you send it out in one language and then get the other one and send it out? Why does everybody have to wait?

11:05 a.m.

Committee Researcher

Édison Roy-César

It has to be sent in both languages to the committee because that's the rule--

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Simultaneously--so everybody gets delayed because of the inefficiencies of the operation.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Welcome to Parliament.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

That's really efficient. I wonder why our productivity in Canada is so low.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Thank you.

We have before us Minister Day.

Monsieur Vincent.

11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Robert Vincent Bloc Shefford, QC

I would just like to say one thing to Mr. Cannan. If he wants to have the documents in just one language, they could be provided in French. Then he would be satisfied; the problem would be solved and we would be more efficient.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

Yes, that works for everybody.

Any other interventions prior to the minister?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Mr. Chair, can the clock start when the minister starts speaking?